Politics: Statues coming down II

[TIDE-HSV]

A monument to the French dead in the Franco-Prussian War has been defaced.
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The stolen statue was a woman representing Alsace, mourning her dead.
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It weighed 1,100 pounds and was stolen, so this was not easy to pinch.
I have no idea whether there was a political motive. It may have simply been the theft of 1,100 pounds of bronze.

Funny, how the Alsatians have been forced to flip back and forth as nationalities. My advanced German conversation was Alsatian. He taught both French and German and was head of the languages department at UAH. His name was "Pinot." We met at a little bar, a white clapboard house at the busy corner of Holmes and Jordan Lane and it's long gone now, swallowed up by progress. Pinot would toss out a topic for conversation and then we had to discuss in German. The beer probably helped...

 

[Tidewater]

Funny, how the Alsatians have been forced to flip back and forth as nationalities. My advanced German conversation was Alsatian. He taught both French and German and was head of the languages department at UAH. His name was "Pinot." We met at a little bar, a white clapboard house at the busy corner of Holmes and Jordan Lane and it's long gone now, swallowed up by progress. Pinot would toss out a topic for conversation and then we had to discuss in German. The beer probably helped...

The Musée de la Guerre de 1870 et de l'Annexion in Gravelotte (just west of Metz) explains the war (the French were exceptionally messed up), the battle (ditto) and the annexation (1871-1919). The entire museum is first-rate, but in some ways the portion on the annexation is the most interesting. It seems that Alsatian society in those years was a French underclass, and a German-speaking elite whose influence spread over the years.
Since 1919 (except for the brief interlude of 1940-1945), the French government has successfully stamped out any Germanic cultural manifestations. The population today is thoroughly French, even if they speak in a slightly strange manner.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

The Musée de la Guerre de 1870 et de l'Annexion in Gravelotte (just west of Metz) explains the war (the French were exceptionally messed up), the battle (ditto) and the annexation (1871-1919). The entire museum is first-rate, but in some ways the portion on the annexation is the most interesting. It seems that Alsatian society in those years was a French underclass, and a German-speaking elite whose influence spread over the years.
Since 1919 (except for the brief interlude of 1940-1945), the French government has successfully stamped out any Germanic cultural manifestations. The population today is thoroughly French, even if they speak in a slightly strange manner.

And most of the towns still bear German names...

 

[Tidewater]

And most of the towns still bear German names...

That is especially true the closer one gets to the current German border. The Lorraine American Military Cemetery is at St. Avold, six km from the German border. The further west one moves, the more likely the name is French.

 

[Bamaro]

I guess this is a good place to post this:

RICHMOND, Va. (WRIC) — The Virginia Senate has approved a bill to strip certain Confederate organizations of their tax-exempt statuses.

“Our code should reflect our values and what we want the Commonwealth to be now,” said the bill’s patron, Delegate Alex Askew (D-Virginia Beach).

The bill has already passed both the House and Senate, but because the Senate added an amendment, the amendment will need to be approved by the House before heading to Governor Glenn Youngkin’s desk.

The companion Senate bill has already been approved by the Senate, but is awaiting a hearing in the House of Delegates.

 

[Its On A Slab]

That is especially true the closer one gets to the current German border. The Lorraine American Military Cemetery is at St. Avold, six km from the German border. The further west one moves, the more likely the name is French.

I had a friend in college who had grown up in Straubourg. His French had a distinct Germanic tinge to it. "Oi" was pronounced "Hwee" with an almost gutteral tinge to it.

 

[Tidewater]

I guess this is a good place to post this:

I think if Virginia Democrats wanted to get rid of a relic of racism and slavery, they would disband their party, which was thoroughly identified with both slavery and Jim Crow.
And it won't do to simply change the name because they still would be benefitting from that loathsome organization. No, they need to disband the party, liquidate all the assets, and create an entirely new party. Just to make sure there is a clean break with the past, they and all their elected officials need to sit out an election cycle.
Removing the tax exempt status of the SCV is showing the Democrats' virtue by inconveniencing others. If they really wanted to show their virtue, inconveniencing themselves would seem more virtuous.

 

[92tide]

sweet, i had virtue signaling on three of my bingo cards

 

[NationalTitles18]

sweet, i had virtue signaling on three of my bingo cards

I hope you had whataboutism as well.

 

[92tide]

I hope you had whataboutism as well.

it's the center square on all of my cards

 

[NationalTitles18]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/29/opinions/civil-war-confederate-military-base-name-change-rucker/index.html

Opinion: My family lost the Civil War. Last year they finally lost this symbol of power

Opinion by K. Denise Rucker Krepp

 

[Tidewater]

And in some places, monuments are going up.
On the battlefield of Piedmont, Virginia, a monument to Brigadier General William E. "Grumble" Jones was dedicated.

On the battlefield of 3rd WInchester, a monument to Brigadier General Cullen Battle's Alabama brigade was dedicated.


On the battlefield of New Market, the statue of Stonewall Jackson removed from post at VMI was re-erected (although Jackson never fought at new Market).


300 yards away, the Albemarle County (Charlottesville) soldiers' monument was re-erected (minus its plaque tying the monument to Albemarle County.

 

[92tide]

John Lewis statue replacing Confederate monument in Georgia city

A large bronze statue of the late civil rights leader and politician John Lewis has been lifted into place in Decatur Georgia, at the spot where a Confederate monument stood for more than 110 years.

apnews.com

 

[Tidewater]

Augustine Sol Invictus, Charlottesville rioter, sentenced to 9 1/2 months for "burning an object with the intent to intimidate."
Invictus sentenced in connection with 2017 torch march
Virginia passed a law, a while back, against cross-burning. The Commonwealth's Attorney used this against this yay-hoo for the tiki torch parade on the University grounds. It was a bit of a stretch, but this guy is no prize, so whatever.
Bet he'll be popular in prison.

 

[Crimson1967]

Augustine Sol Invictus, Charlottesville rioter, sentenced to 9 1/2 months for "burning an object with the intent to intimidate."
Invictus sentenced in connection with 2017 torch march
Virginia passed a law, a while back, against cross-burning. The Commonwealth's Attorney used this against this yay-hoo for the tiki torch parade on the University grounds. It was a bit of a stretch, but this guy is no prize, so whatever.
Bet he'll be popular in prison.

Is that his real name?

 

[Tidewater]

Is that his real name?

His given name is Austin Mitchell Gillespie. The Sol Invictus family welcomed him with open arms.

 

[Its On A Slab]

Funny, how the Alsatians have been forced to flip back and forth as nationalities. My advanced German conversation was Alsatian. He taught both French and German and was head of the languages department at UAH. His name was "Pinot." We met at a little bar, a white clapboard house at the busy corner of Holmes and Jordan Lane and it's long gone now, swallowed up by progress. Pinot would toss out a topic for conversation and then we had to discuss in German. The beer probably helped...

I had a friend in college who had spent several years living in Strasbourg. It was interesting to hear him talk to friends and family in Strasbourg. His French was heavily Germanic in accent.

 

[Bamaro]

Just wait a few years until the nuts begin to put up statues to trump.

 

[Tidewater]

Well, Fort Liberty did not last. Fort Bragg is back.
SECDEF redeisgnated the installation "Fort Bragg" after PFC Roland L. Bragg, World War II veteran who earned a Silver zstar in the Battle of the Bulge.

Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth Renames Fort Liberty to Fort Roland L. Bragg

 

[81usaf92]

Well, Fort Liberty did not last. Fort Bragg is back.
SECDEF redeisgnated the installation "Fort Bragg" after PFC Roland L. Bragg, World War II veteran who earned a Silver zstar in the Battle of the Bulge.

Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth Renames Fort Liberty to Fort Roland L. Bragg

Honestly... I think its a good compromise. However Im torn on Benning because Ft Hal Moore is probably the only good renaming ideas that they came up with.