Politics: Statues coming down II

[Tidewater]

Ilhan Omar, neo-Confederate. Posts a man flying a "Bonnie Blue" Confederate Flag

Welcome to the ranks, comrade.

 

[Bamaro]

'Stupid as hell': GOP congressman blasts Hegseth on Confederate base names

A Republican congressman blasted Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth’s push to resurrect banned Confederate base names via proxy as “stupid as hell” in an interview with USA TODAY.

Rep. Don Bacon, R-Nebraska, joined House Democrats on July 15 to approve a defense bill amendment seeking to block the name changes. The retired Air Force brigadier general described the move as a "rebuke" of Hegseth and Trump's use of a loophole to restore Confederate names.

'Stupid as hell': GOP congressman blasts Hegseth on Confederate base names

 

[selmaborntidefan]

A Republican congressman blasted Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth’s push to resurrect banned Confederate base names via proxy as “stupid as hell” in an interview with USA TODAY.

Rep. Don Bacon, R-Nebraska, joined House Democrats on July 15 to approve a defense bill amendment seeking to block the name changes. The retired Air Force brigadier general described the move as a "rebuke" of Hegseth and Trump's use of a loophole to restore Confederate names.

Don Bacon suddenly grew these things men have when he was safe from losing an election, didn't he?

Just like Flake and Corker in the GYP. Just like the Dem voices that failed to speak up about Biden's health until he withdrew (one year ago today).

He's not wrong, but I honestly think they should have simply done something sort of similar in the first place.

"OK, we're renaming these bases, so we can save money, does anyone know a different Lee we can name this base after? A different Benning?" Etc.

But once you learn it was never about that, you understand why they did it the way they did.

 

[Its On A Slab]

Don Bacon suddenly grew these things men have when he was safe from losing an election, didn't he?

Just like Flake and Corker in the GYP. Just like the Dem voices that failed to speak up about Biden's health until he withdrew (one year ago today).

He's not wrong, but I honestly think they should have simply done something sort of similar in the first place.

"OK, we're renaming these bases, so we can save money, does anyone know a different Lee we can name this base after? A different Benning?" Etc.

But once you learn it was never about that, you understand why they did it the way they did.

Bacon represents a very purple district. Nebraska assigns EC members by congressional districts. In past elections, they've sent one vote for Obama in 2008, and one for Biden in 2020.

Thus, he walks a fine line. The Republicans have tried to gerrymander the district numerous times, but it remains very purple.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

https://www.npr.org/2025/08/05/nx-s1-5493106/confederate-statue-albert-pike-reinstall

Confederate statue toppled during Black Lives Matter protests will be reinstalled

The National Park Service is planning to restore and reinstall a statue of Albert Pike, a Confederate general and Freemason leader, that was toppled during Black Lives Matter protests in June 2020.

"The restoration aligns with federal responsibilities under historic preservation law as well as recent executive orders to beautify the nation's capital and re-instate pre-existing statues," the National Park Service said in a statement, pointing to President Trump's executive order on Making the District of Columbia Safe and Beautiful and the executive order on Restoring Truth and Sanity to American History.

 

[Tidewater]

And the Arlington Monument to Reconciliation will be placed back in Arlington.
Confederate memorial to return to Arlington National Cemetery
The sculptor Moses Ezekiel was buried under the monument so it was a grave. The Naming Commission removed it anyway.

 

[Tidewater]

This is pretty crappy.

Fortunately, somebody got a photo of the dude and gave it to the Park Service. Oh, boy, that is goiing to be an expensive self-made etching.
What is it about people that, when they see a monument, they feel a need to deface it? SMH.

 

[Bazza]

Snowflake confronts British man at his own door and demands he take down his British flag and American flag.

Reason given: flying a British flag in Britain is “offensive”.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2032436943787639009

 

[Tidewater]

A living example of why we need a 1st Amendment and Britain suffers from the lack of one.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Snowflake confronts British man at his own door and demands he take down his British flag and American flag.

Reason given: flying a British flag in Britain is “offensive”.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2032436943787639009

I would have some choice (and likely somewhat unkind) words in response.

And would likely order a larger flag as well.

 

[Crimson1967]

For once, it’s not a dead white guy being cancelled.

California moves to rename Cesar Chavez Day after sexual abuse allegations

Legislators propose designating 31 March as Farmworkers Day in light of allegations against late labor leader

www.theguardian.com

 

[Tidewater]

I found this today and found it helpful.

"As we would have our descendants judge us, so ought we to judge our fathers. In order to form a correct estimate of their merits, we ought to place ourselves in their situation, to put out of our minds, for a time, all that knowledge which they, however eager in the pursuit of truth, could not have, and which we, however negligent we may have been, could not help having. It was not merely difficult, but absolutely impossible, for the best and greatest of men, two hundred years ago, to be what a very commonplace person in our days may easily be, and indeed must necessarily be. But it is too much that the benefactors of mankind, after having been reviled by the dunces of their own generation for going too far, should be reviled by the dunces of the next generation for not going far enough."[1]


[1] Thomas Babington Macaulay, Critical and Historical Essays, vol. II (London: Longman, Brown, Green, and Longmans, 1848), 220.

 

[CrimsonNagus]

For once, it’s not a dead white guy being cancelled.

California moves to rename Cesar Chavez Day after sexual abuse allegations

Legislators propose designating 31 March as Farmworkers Day in light of allegations against late labor leader

www.theguardian.com

I think we just need to stop naming things after people.

 

[Tidewater]

I think we just need to stop naming things after people.

"The humble tombs of the Protestant captains have been carefully sought out, repaired, and embellished. It is impossible not to respect the sentiment which indicates itself by these tokens. It is a sentiment which belongs to the higher and purer part of human nature, and which adds not a little to the strength of states. A people which takes no pride in the noble achievements of remote ancestors will never achieve anything worthy to be remembered with pride by remote descendants."[1]


[HR][/HR]
[1] Thomas Babington Macaulay, A History of England from the Ascension of James the Second, vol. III (New York: Harper & Brothers, 1879), 227-8.


I think if society wants more of a characteristic, it honors those who had that characteristic. That does not mean endorsement of other characteristics. they might have also had. Chavez was a great labor leader for people who, up to that point, did not have much of a voice, and raised them up politically and economically.
Humans are complex. Even the best are going to have failings. Commemorating their achievements and virtues while lamenting their failings is a human act by those who follow.
Marxists among us would prefer praising no individual, while praising their class. This is why Marxist monuments tend to praise humans as members of a class. Individual humans they used like condoms and threw away like garbage.

 

[92tide]

apparently, this is the characteristic our society embraces

 

[TIDE-HSV]

"The humble tombs of the Protestant captains have been carefully sought out, repaired, and embellished. It is impossible not to respect the sentiment which indicates itself by these tokens. It is a sentiment which belongs to the higher and purer part of human nature, and which adds not a little to the strength of states. A people which takes no pride in the noble achievements of remote ancestors will never achieve anything worthy to be remembered with pride by remote descendants."[1]


[HR][/HR]
[1] Thomas Babington Macaulay, A History of England from the Ascension of James the Second, vol. III (New York: Harper & Brothers, 1879), 227-8.


I think if society wants more of a characteristic, it honors those who had that characteristic. That does not mean endorsement of other characteristics. they might have also had. Chavez was a great labor leader for people who, up to that point, did not have much of a voice, and raised them up politically and economically.
Humans are complex. Even the best are going to have failings. Commemorating their achievements and virtues while lamenting their failings is a human act by those who follow.
Marxists among us would prefer praising no individual, while praising their class. This is why Marxist monuments tend to praise humans as members of a class. Individual humans they used like condoms and threw away like garbage.

Ah, but there are exceptions - Lenin's body and Stalin until '61. His bust statue still stands in the row of heroes of the Soviet Union at the wall of the Kremlin...

 

[Bazza]