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92tide: i agree with your assessment. argument is good....no problem with that, but i'm sure you would agree that there is an element of "blind hatred" in this country for bush, regardless of what he does on any issue. not saying you are in that category at all.
i think his lack of an immigration policy sucks! but i strongly believe we have to take the fight to terrorists and i think it would be a mistake to suddenly withdraw from iraq.
on 9/11, he plainly stated (with support from both sides of the aisle) that we would hunt down terrorists and the countries that harbor them. i think potential problems with iran will make the iraq thing look like a walk in the park. i do believe that iran harbors, supplies, and trains terrorists. but the pelosis and murthas of the world are already on his case about possible military action against iran.

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92tide said:
when one paints their adversaries as consumed by hate, full of rage, socialist military haters, etc. it does make it much easier to argue against them.
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When one paints the entire Bush administration as a group of morons, then tries to credit that group of morons with having "tricked" the entire world into believing that Saddam was a threat so that they could take control of the Iraqi oil, that person has no credibility.

So, Bush went into Iraq to steal the oil. We have yet to see a drop of oil - and it is not even on Bush's priority list. Bush has the troops working on security and the contractors rebuilding infrastructure. If oil was the priority, it could have been pumping in full force long ago. Hmmm.

So, blind hatred or blind stupidity - you pick. Either works for me...
 
Bamaro said:
That seems to be the only argument they have left!
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I oppose the political stance of Hillary and the rest of her comrades in the Democratic party. The vitriol is a bit sickening, but it isn't the reason I oppose them. For that matter, I also oppose the betrayal of fiscally conservative ideology perpetrated by the Republicans with the 'rubber stamp' attitude to legislation they have enjoyed while dominating Congress and the White House. If we cannot elect libertarians, I have no choice but to hope for gridlock again.
 
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When one paints the entire Bush administration as a group of morons, then tries to credit that group of morons with having "tricked" the entire world into believing that Saddam was a threat so that they could take control of the Iraqi oil, that person has no credibility.
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so that makes it right to paint that entire group as bush haters and dismiss everything they say out of hand. i think i am beginning to see the light :p ;)
 
on 9/11, he plainly stated (with support from both sides of the aisle) that we would hunt down terrorists and the countries that harbor them.
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and then he promptly charged into Iraq and imho has left us in a very weakened position to deal with the really pressing issues that continue to pop up.
 
92tide said:
so that makes it right to paint that entire group as bush haters and dismiss everything they say out of hand. i think i am beginning to see the light :p ;)
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No - there are some on this board, myself included, that think that Bush has proven to be a huge disappointment. I think that he has let us down in all but a handful of areas. But I am capable of seeing the areas that he has handled well.

Those who see nothing but bad from Bush deserve to be labled - and worse...
 
NYBamaFan said:
When one paints the entire Bush administration as a group of morons, then tries to credit that group of morons with having "tricked" the entire world into believing that Saddam was a threat so that they could take control of the Iraqi oil, that person has no credibility.
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No one is saying the "entire Bush administration as a group of morons", but their defenders on the other hand . . .:p
 
NYBamaFan said:
No - there are some on this board, myself included, that think that Bush has proven to be a huge disappointment. I think that he has let us down in all but a handful of areas. But I am capable of seeing the areas that he has handled well.

Those who see nothing but bad from Bush deserve to be labled - and worse...
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As someone who has rued the day he voted for Bush since about 2003, I guess I'll take this post as a backhanded compliment.
 
I'm disappointed in the way President Bush has handled certain matters, to be sure. But I'm also aware of since we went into Afghanistan and Iraq, there have been no more terrorist attacks here in the US. Personally, I don't want to see any more innocent Americans killed. But those who hate Bush and all he represents, I would like you to do something for me.
When you go outside today, go visit your neighbors. Call or visit your friends and families, and speak with them about all the memories you share. Because there will come a day when your hatred for Bush will give our enemies aid and comfort. That aid and comfort will allow them to cause the deaths of many more Americans. Their victims could and very well might be your friends, your families and your neighbors. Then, after you have shed your tears, prayed over their caskets, and attended more funerals than you can stand, then you can come back home, look in the mirror, and face the person who shares the blame.
 
Bama Reb said:
When you go outside today, go visit your neighbors. Call or visit your friends and families, and speak with them about all the memories you share. Because there will come a day when your hatred for Bush will give our enemies aid and comfort. That aid and comfort will allow them to cause the deaths of many more Americans. Their victims could and very well might be your friends, your families and your neighbors. Then, after you have shed your tears, prayed over their caskets, and attended more funerals than you can stand, then you can come back home, look in the mirror, and face the person who shares the blame.
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As you probably know, I worked on the 97th floor of the WTC. I was lucky enough to have been out of town on business on 9/11. I attended over 100 memorial services for lost friends. I saw their spouses and children walking around, looking lost and confused. I still cry and get angry when I think about those faces. I can tell you, with absolute certainty, that if more Americans could remember that day as clearly as I do, there would be overwhelming support for what we are trying to do in Iraq.

Here is a short story, for those who have forgotten. A friend of many years paged me and a few friends (we used SkyTel two way pagers then). He was stuck on the 96th floor. His first page said that he was there with 5 others who had survived the blast, but that the entire floor was on fire. The phones were out, and they were going to try to make it through the flames to get to one of the two stairwells.

We received quite a few pages from him, and we kept replying. He marked their progress, in agonizing detail, as they made their way to the nearest stairwell only to find it completely collapsed/blocked. After over 30 minutes work to get there, they found the same at the second stairwell. They then worked their way into an office, where they waited/hoped for rescue. The last page that was received came about 15 minutes before the building came down. It said simply this, "The fire is here". My friends burned to death because of Muslim hatred.

I remember his memorial most of all. He and his wife had been trying to become parents for many years, and he told me during the summer that it looked like God had finally granted them a child. I remember his wife, 6 months pregnant at the time of the service. I remember every memorial of Greg since, watching their son grow up without his father. I remember too much.

Americans have very short memories...
 
NYBamaFan said:
As you probably know, I worked on the 97th floor of the WTC. I was lucky enough to have been out of town on business on 9/11. I attended over 100 memorial services for lost friends. I saw their spouses and children walking around, looking lost and confused. I still cry and get angry when I think about those faces. I can tell you, with absolute certainty, that if more Americans could remember that day as clearly as I do, there would be overwhelming support for what we are trying to do in Iraq.
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You've let your fear and anger over the terrorists' attack on 9-11 cloud your thinking.
The Iraq war has nothing to do with what happened on 9-11.
 
92tide said:
i guess it is easy to dismiss criticism out of hand as "blind hatred"

when one paints their adversaries as consumed by hate, full of rage, socialist military haters, etc. it does make it much easier to argue against them.

fwiw, it is possible to disagree with the way this administration has handled the war and not have it based in hatred, wanting to bring down bush, etc. but that fact does not give one a nice neat straw man to systematically tear down.

i think it is somewhat arrogant to assume that the only reason someone could disagree with you is because they are irrationally emotional
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Reading back thru this thread backwards, wading thru all the insulting hectoring directed your way, I admire your restraint.
 
Chukker Veteran said:
You've let your fear and anger over the terrorists' attack on 9-11 cloud your thinking.
The Iraq war has nothing to do with what happened on 9-11.
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LOL - I would be willing to bet you that I am one of the least fearful people that you have ever even heard of. I have faced death far too many times to fear it any longer. But I am very angry. You would be, too.

As for the attacks on 9/11 and the connection with Iraq. I see the war in Iraq as the front line of the war against terrorism. You do not have to agree with me, but that is my connection...
 
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