Rivals shows Texas with 17 commitments. I'm not sure if that is good or bad but you have to admit impressive to be with so many guys committed so early.
Texas has 17 commitments
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MB's recruiting prowess is well-known, so I am not surprised one bit. UT finished strong last season. You have to hand it to Mac Brown, if he can ever get the OU monkey off his back, he will be considered one of the top three coaches in the country, imho....
deliveryman35 said:
Top three? That's a bit of a stretch, isn't it? Remember the man has never even won a conference championship in his entire career. Dang, even Dubose won one and in far less time.
TommyMac said:
It might be, Tommy, but not by much. I have to admit, I lost some respect for the man after the BCS flap last season when he was so openly campaigning for his team to go to the Rose Bowl, but I still think he's potential top 3/top 5 coaching material. You're right, he's never won a cc, but again that has mainly been due to the superiority of OU. He has dominated everyone else in that league. His overall record is very, very good. He's normally been good for at least 9-10 wins per season since he's been in Austin. My point was that IF, and that's a big IF, he can ever turn the corner on Stoops and start winning where it counts, in the cotton bowl in october, he will finally get his due as a great coach.
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deliveryman35 said:
I don't know Deliveryman, I respect your opinion, but I just can't bring myself to consider him a "great" coach without any championships. And then there's those two montrous a$$ kicking by OU when they scored over 60 points on ol' Mack. I could maybe overlook those losses if he were at a program like Duke, Vandy, Baylor, etc, but he's at Texas for God's sake.
Out of curiousity, which of these coaches would you bump in favor of MB if he get's the OU bugaboo off his back? Don't even consider JoPa or Diddy because both have plainly slipped back into the pack, especially JoPa.
Pete Carroll
Bob Stoops
Phil Fulmer
Bill Snyder
Urban Meyer
Ralph Freidgon
Kirk Ferentz
Dan Hawkins
Steve Spurrier
Jim Tressel
Make it top 5, which 6 would you eliminate to slip in MB?
TommyMac said:
That's a tough one, Tommy. Up and down your list, its hard to disagree with it. You're top 3 I would be hard pressed to argue with at all. But when you get to number 4, it gets really debatable. I must admit, it would be hard to put Mack ahead of Bill Snyder, with everything he's accomplished in Manhattan, plus he's shown a clear ability to beat OU throughout his coaching career and has that 35-7 trouncing of OU and his disciple, Bob Stoops, from the '03 title game as a notch in his belt. I know Urban Meyer is a rising star, but I would probably slip MB in ahead of him at number five.
Interestingly, the outcome of the '05 season will likely determine which is better, Meyer or Brown. UM is now in the big leagues at UF and many think this is Mack Brown's best opportunity yet in the Big XII against Stoops. I guess by the time the end of october rolls around we will both know more....But right now, at this point in time, I would put MB in place of UM on your list.
Another question. If you were the AD of an elite program and were about to hire a new HC and you had your choice of Mack Brown and Urban Meyer, would you really hire Brown? I'd definitely go for Meyer myself. With MAC and MW talent, he's 10-1 against BCS conference teams and that's primarily with the talent he inherited.
TommyMac said:
Great question TMac. IMO, it depends on the situation. If you totally needed your program rebuilt I think the safe bet is Mack Brown. He has proven that he can win 9 or 10 a year and there's not doubt that he can recruit. He has struggled in the big games.
Now if the program was in good shape whos coach had retired or moved on and has talent then UM might be the better coach. UM might be able to take you further than MB in the short term. It's still hard to know if UM can recruit or not.
TommyMac said:
I guess you've got me on that one, Tommy. Honestly, if I was in that predicament, I would probably have to agree w/you and hire UM, simply because there's probably more potential upside with him due to his age and the point he is currently at in his career. I'm not saying MB is in the twilight of his career yet, but I don't see him having 8-10 more good years left in the tank. UM probably does, so he would be a better "long term investment" as a coach.
BTW, I really think UM will do well at UF. Being the diehard Bama fan that I am, I have to say that I cringed a little when Jeremy Foley went out and hired him.
Bama18 said:
I think the part about having to lose to Oklahoma every year is written in small print on their letters of intent.
Mack Brown is an average coach AT BEST.
Recruiting genius? I think not.
Texas is a huge state with an enormous population. Any coach with a heartbeat and at least two brain cells should be able to fill the roster with four and five star players.
Recruiting genius? I think not.
Texas is a huge state with an enormous population. Any coach with a heartbeat and at least two brain cells should be able to fill the roster with four and five star players.
Well the price of oil and gas
has risen in the past year... :biggrin:, Seriously what do commitments mean to Texas, Ryan Perilloux spurned them for LSU.
has risen in the past year... :biggrin:, Seriously what do commitments mean to Texas, Ryan Perilloux spurned them for LSU.
I bet that if Dan Hawkins were at Texas where he could have his pick of talent out of the state of Texas and have the facilities that Texas has, he would have accomplished much more than Mack Brown during the time that Brown has been there.
<--- not a MB fan...
Before Stoops at OU you had Osbourne with Nebraska. Still an also-ran.
Honestly, the only "big win" I see/remember in Brown's career is when NC upset FSU. Torbush and Bunting haven't been able to win at UNC with the same regularity that Brown did so I'd guess it's a safe assumption he's a better HC than those two.
Honestly, I put Brown in the same league as fRan. Charlie North commented one time that "fRan will lose at least one game a year that he should have/could have won." I see the same tendancies with Brown.
Before Stoops at OU you had Osbourne with Nebraska. Still an also-ran.
Honestly, the only "big win" I see/remember in Brown's career is when NC upset FSU. Torbush and Bunting haven't been able to win at UNC with the same regularity that Brown did so I'd guess it's a safe assumption he's a better HC than those two.
Honestly, I put Brown in the same league as fRan. Charlie North commented one time that "fRan will lose at least one game a year that he should have/could have won." I see the same tendancies with Brown.
TerryP said:
Really? That surprises me, Terry, considering North is still working for Fran. CN has always spoke his mind--maybe he gets that from being around Switzer for all those years. Funny thing, but he's probably right.
If I remember correctly, Texas' last national championship was in something like 1968.
That is a staggering amount of mediocrity for a team located in the talent nirvana known as the Lone Star State.
However, Brown has to get some kind of credit for at least getting that school back to a high-end level. If it were just snap-easy to recruit to Texas, you have to come up with a way to explain most of the 1980s and early 1990s, when Texas football was just awful in many years.
Brown managed to recruit football players to Chapel Hill when he was at NC, which is a pretty significant feat, giving that you're in a geographically limited area, and are competing with the following schools who are located nearly in your own backyard: Tennessee, Virginia Tech, NC State, South Carolina, Clemson and the little guys like Duke, Wake Forest and East Carolina. For that matter, Georgia and Georgia Tech aren't that far away.
But I'll leave you with the opinion of an NFL guy I know: "If you want someone to go into a kid's living room and make their mama fall in love with you, Mack Brown is a great guy. But once the lights go on on game day, he's lost."
That is a staggering amount of mediocrity for a team located in the talent nirvana known as the Lone Star State.
However, Brown has to get some kind of credit for at least getting that school back to a high-end level. If it were just snap-easy to recruit to Texas, you have to come up with a way to explain most of the 1980s and early 1990s, when Texas football was just awful in many years.
Brown managed to recruit football players to Chapel Hill when he was at NC, which is a pretty significant feat, giving that you're in a geographically limited area, and are competing with the following schools who are located nearly in your own backyard: Tennessee, Virginia Tech, NC State, South Carolina, Clemson and the little guys like Duke, Wake Forest and East Carolina. For that matter, Georgia and Georgia Tech aren't that far away.
But I'll leave you with the opinion of an NFL guy I know: "If you want someone to go into a kid's living room and make their mama fall in love with you, Mack Brown is a great guy. But once the lights go on on game day, he's lost."
JessN said:
It was 1970 and it was the last "white" team to win a national title. That is, the last team to NOT have an black player starting. If memory serves correctly.
As far as calling that mediocrity. The SWC had only Arkansas as an out of state school. That means 9 schools in the same conference were competing for the state's talent. Rice used to be THE powerhouse. Few people realize this little tidbit.
That's what makes Bama's achievement so outstanding. Alabama being a small state and legitimately having 2 big schools(i know SNASS, but they are big school still) competing for in state talent, it's a small wonder that either of the two schools can compete.
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