Question: The Electoral College

Yes but we are talking about this race which IS close in the EC.

306-232 is only close in the mind of the delusioned with MI's 16 hanging out there and WI only adding ten more to Clinton's total if a recount surprised us. That would still leave Trump with 296 at the very least and as many as 312 even if WI went to Clinton (it will not). The whole premise of the recount request is that Russians hacked voting machines in rural Wisconsin, so conspiracy theories are responsible for the recount, not the EC (more precisely, crazy people believing the conspiracy theories are responsible).
 
306-232 is only close in the mind of the delusioned with MI's 16 hanging out there and WI only adding ten more to Clinton's total if a recount surprised us. That would still leave Trump with 296 at the very least and as many as 312 even if WI went to Clinton (it will not). The whole premise of the recount request is that Russians hacked voting machines in rural Wisconsin, so conspiracy theories are responsible for the recount, not the EC (more precisely, crazy people believing the conspiracy theories are responsible).

If we do recount, I guess we need to throw out all the dead people and illegal alien votes as well. Why are we only going to recount the votes in the states where Hillary lost? Why not recount all the votes in the states where Hillary won but it was close? Frankly Stein started this because she plans on running in 2020 for the Democrats.
 
The recount is happening because someone who decried not abiding by an election was damaging to the democracy is now doing that very thing! She is a loser no matter how it all turns out. SOUR GRAPES
 
No we all get it. You don't like the EC. Stop posting every single day abou how you don't like it and just go away and sulk. It is getting old.

You are correct that I do not like the EC. However it is presumptuous of you to tell me to 'go away' because you dont like my opinion.:tongue: I disagree with some of your opinions but will never tell you to go away.:rolleyes: I guess I struck a nerve somehow.
 
The recount is happening because someone who decried not abiding by an election was damaging to the democracy is now doing that very thing! She is a loser no matter how it all turns out. SOUR GRAPES

The recount will not change the outcome of the election. The best thing for Reps to do is just say, 'go for it', and continue with their transition planning.
 
The recount will not change the outcome of the election. The best thing for Reps to do is just say, 'go for it', and continue with their transition planning.

I agree. Supporting a recount makes them look good. But Trump already soiled the bed with his comments about illegal voters.


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I agree. Supporting a recount makes them look good. But Trump already soiled the bed with his comments about illegal voters.


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I agree, but he's not the only hypocrite here. For forty years, it's Democrats telling me there's no voter fraud and how our election system is so great. And now they're the ones challenging it YET AGAIN. They're the ones who wanted Trump to promise before the election to be a good loser, but they're not.

I mean, the two-way hypocrisy here is disgusting. Now the same press outlets that got all the polls wrong think Trump should support the sore loser effort (which is their own hypocrisy). Jill Stein - who said nuclear war was LESS likely with Trump than HRC btw and actually considered Trump the LESSER evil - suddenly is trying to help the 'greater evil' overturn the election.

I mean, if I could buy stock in hypocrisy one year ago and sell it right now, I could retire in the top 1% of the top 1%.
 
The recount will not change the outcome of the election. The best thing for Reps to do is just say, 'go for it', and continue with their transition planning.

You're correct, but that doesn't address Wayne's point, either. Spend six weeks demanding a guy be a good loser and becoming a sore loser is typical of politicians.
 
You're correct, but that doesn't address Wayne's point, either. Spend six weeks demanding a guy be a good loser and becoming a sore loser is typical of politicians.

But it was Trump himself that said (tweeted) he would have won the popular vote except for the voter fraud. He cant say that and then turn right around and criticize recount requests.
Somebody really needs to get him off of Twitter (again)
 
But it was Trump himself that said (tweeted) he would have won the popular vote except for the voter fraud. He cant say that and then turn right around and criticize recount requests.
Somebody really needs to get him off of Twitter (again)


I agree he needs to be off Twitter but that was AFTER the recount was going forward. Y'all don't get to crank up a recount wheel and then anachronistically try to blame Trump for a claim he made AFTERWARDS.

Watching some of this is still funny, though, for those of us who vividly recall the Bill Clinton transition and broken promises before he took office. All of a sudden, media outlets are full of 'he said this but now he says that.' Fine that's the job of the press, but where were you back when in the nostalgic days you were 'objective' and 'nonpartisan,' things folks want to pretend Fox News began?

Look, hold his feet to the fire, but a lot of us have watched what journalism has become top to bottom, and it's revolting. It's even more revolting than Trump, and that's saying a lot. We can always impeach (and remove) him - and don't think that wouldn't have a lot of bipartisan support in DC - but the press has no check and balance.
 
The EC has now led to a recount in Wisconsin and probably to a few other states. If there were no EC, there would be no recounts going on. Seems contrary to what a few here were saying.

Hi stranger... It's been 21 days and I'm still all ears on your solution to how are we going to accurately count every vote in a nation wide popular vote, and still be able to swear the president elect in on time to serve his/her allotted 4 years.

It seems trump's remarks here defeat your whole position on why it isn't easy to just switch to a popular vote...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...e-for-a-recount-of-his-own-2016-election-win/

If you have 1 person... Just 1 ask for a recount you are going to have the biggest crick in your neck. Atleast the EC isn't about counting every last vote as much as polling states to sway electorates to vote accordingly.
 
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Texas Elector Resigns: Trump Is Not Qualified And I Cannot Vote For Him
"I do not see how Donald Trump is biblically qualified to serve in the office of the Presidency. Of the hundreds of angry messages that I have received, not one has made a convincing case from scripture otherwise," he wrote on his blog "The Blessed Path." "If Trump is not qualified and my role, both morally and historically, as an elected official is to vote my conscience, then I can not and will not vote for Donald Trump for President. I believe voting for Trump would bring dishonor to God."

Either I missed the Biblical qualifications for being President, or Art Cisneros is not qualified to be an elector.
 
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