Tired of all the "Saban will leave" talk

[bayoutider]

I'm really not hearing a lot of this kind of "talk" where I'm at, but it is true we live in a day and time where coaches simply do not put down roots and stay at a program 15-25 years anymore--it's virtually unheard of for a coach to stay anywhere 10 years.

Really?

Sonny Lubick - Colorado St. 1993- present
Bobby Bowden - FSU - 1976- present
Pat Hill - Fresno St. - 1997 - present
Lloyd Carr - Michigan - 1995 - present
Joe Paterno - Penn St. - 1966 - present
Joe Tiller - Purdue - 1997 - present
Jim Leavitt - So. Florida - 1997 - present
Jeff Bower - So. Miss - 1990 - present
Phillip Fullmer - Tennessee - 1992 - present
Frank Beamer - Virginia Tech - 1987 - present

I might have missed a couple.

 

[bmcklv]

Two reasons Saban will be in no hurry to leave.
1.) He has complete autonomy within the football program. As long as the PTB keep it that way, CNS will enjoy his job.
2.) Terry (sp?) seems to love it here, and it's great to live in a town like Tuscaloosa and be the coach's wife. There is no town anywhere north of the Mason-Dixon line that would be as supportive and respectful of the two women in Coach Saban's life. (No disrespect intended for the northern Bama fans, but yankees are a different breed of people when it comes to manners; I know, I lived among them in several cities, and will never go north of the MD line again unless it's for a road game, and then back home.)

 

[deliveryman35]

Really?

Sonny Lubick - Colorado St. 1993- present
Bobby Bowden - FSU - 1976- present
Pat Hill - Fresno St. - 1997 - present
Lloyd Carr - Michigan - 1995 - present
Joe Paterno - Penn St. - 1966 - present
Joe Tiller - Purdue - 1997 - present
Jim Leavitt - So. Florida - 1997 - present
Jeff Bower - So. Miss - 1990 - present
Phillip Fullmer - Tennessee - 1992 - present
Frank Beamer - Virginia Tech - 1987 - present

I might have missed a couple.

Bayou,

I get your point, it DOES happen, but out of 117 D-I schools, the list you present is still a very small minority. A good many of the coach in your list are "old school" coaches too, and I would argue that the average up and coming coach nowadays doesn't engender or have any concept of the kind of loyalty that these guys have exhibited toward their respective schools. We are living in a different time than what you and I grew up in. For the most part, it's all about the money now.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Really?

Sonny Lubick - Colorado St. 1993- present
Bobby Bowden - FSU - 1976- present
Pat Hill - Fresno St. - 1997 - present
Lloyd Carr - Michigan - 1995 - present
Joe Paterno - Penn St. - 1966 - present
Joe Tiller - Purdue - 1997 - present
Jim Leavitt - So. Florida - 1997 - present
Jeff Bower - So. Miss - 1990 - present
Phillip Fullmer - Tennessee - 1992 - present
Frank Beamer - Virginia Tech - 1987 - present

I might have missed a couple.

Phillip really couldn't go anywhere else because the "meal ticket" clause in his contract is too much for most schools to bear.

 

[THE BAMA IRISHMAN]

Really?

Sonny Lubick - Colorado St. 1993- present
Bobby Bowden - FSU - 1976- present
Pat Hill - Fresno St. - 1997 - present
Lloyd Carr - Michigan - 1995 - present
Joe Paterno - Penn St. - 1966 - present
Joe Tiller - Purdue - 1997 - present
Jim Leavitt - So. Florida - 1997 - present
Jeff Bower - So. Miss - 1990 - present
Phillip Fullmer - Tennessee - 1992 - present
Frank Beamer - Virginia Tech - 1987 - present

I might have missed a couple.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2006-11-16-coaches-salaries-cover_x.htm
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2003/writers/mike_fish/12/19/coaching.contracts/

Yes there are a few more and the trend to stay is coming full circle. Schools have to keep the good coaches. LSU should have gave Coach Saban what he was asking and that program would be unreal right now. USC gave Coach Pete Carroll a half million dollar pay raise last season. It puts him at 3.5 million. Iowa's coach, Oklahoma coach all make 3. something million.

Jim Leavitt - USF coach since 1996. There are many others. The trend is now for Coaches like Mack Brown, Jim Tressel, and many others to stay put. The schools have realized they must pay in order to keep their coaches. Jim Leavitt is such a case. He went from 350 thousand to 1.2 million. USF wanted to keep him. The Navy Coach (Paul Johnson) made the biggest haul he went from 1.1 million to 2.8 million. Yes the Navy coach. Navy made 17 million dollars in the last five bowls. Navy wants to keep him. That is an understatement. A 1.7 million dollar pay raise at Navy. :biggrin2:

Why leave when the cash is on hand. Iowa giving up 3.4 million. Are you kidding me. If I am the coach at any school willing to pay me that kind of money, heck I am staying. 40 million for ten years of hard work. Its worth it. :BigA:

 

[TIDE-HSV]

All the above simply boils down to "why would he leave?" The money was only important as a symbol and he has more than he could spend, anyway. That's at least part of the reason that he's not trying to fatten his income with outside deals. He'll continue to insist on being the highest paid coach, and if he delivers, we'll owe it to him (and it'll be a bargain).

If he delivers for a while, on the scale he did at LSU, I see two openings that might be tempting - Ohio State, because of the proximity of his upraising and Notre Dame, for it's own special aura (and his faith). I'd see a nice run at Bama before either of those - and he's not getting younger.

The kernel of the argument that he'll certainly leave Bama after a short while is partly flawed logic and partly emotional. The logic part is extrapolation - "he's always left after a short while, so he will again." This is fallacious because it ignores that circumstances can change; people can change. This has been pointed out ably above also.

The emotional part is sour grapes and it comes mostly, though not entirely, from LSU fans who can't comprehend that he would coach in the SEC anywhere other than LSU. They can be satisfied only by two chains of events - either Nick loses, to them, habitually, or he leaves Bama. Nothing else will give them surcease, and nothing will give us surcease from them and their wails. They'll still be saying he's about to leave when he's hobbling up and down the sidelines in his walker.

The other large contingent, other than LSU, that is, who will keep saying he'll leave are folks who just wish Bama and Saban ill, in no particular order. IOW, pure "Schadenfreude." They're not going to stop talking either. I, for one, believe that Saban is going to turn their complaints to dust in their mouths. He manufactures his own motivational wellsprings, but, believe me, he's added some people and groups lately...

 

[LSU63]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2006-11-16-coaches-salaries-cover_x.htm
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2003/writers/mike_fish/12/19/coaching.contracts/

Yes there are a few more and the trend to stay is coming full circle. Schools have to keep the good coaches. LSU should have gave Coach Saban what he was asking and that program would be unreal right now. USC gave Coach Pete Carroll a half million dollar pay raise last season. It puts him at 3.5 million. Iowa's coach, Oklahoma coach all make 3. something million.

Jim Leavitt - USF coach since 1996. There are many others. The trend is now for Coaches like Mack Brown, Jim Tressel, and many others to stay put. The schools have realized they must pay in order to keep their coaches. Jim Leavitt is such a case. He went from 350 thousand to 1.2 million. USF wanted to keep him. The Navy Coach (Paul Johnson) made the biggest haul he went from 1.1 million to 2.8 million. Yes the Navy coach. Navy made 17 million dollars in the last five bowls. Navy wants to keep him. That is an understatement. A 1.7 million dollar pay raise at Navy. :biggrin2:

Why leave when the cash is on hand. Iowa giving up 3.4 million. Are you kidding me. If I am the coach at any school willing to pay me that kind of money, heck I am staying. 40 million for ten years of hard work. Its worth it. :BigA:

Just for the record, LSU gave him everything he wanted, complete control of the football program, his contract had him as the highest paid coach in college etc. We were just unfortunate in that he still had the NFL itch to scratch, but Bama has offered or given him nothing that LSU didn't.
Your post is incorrect in that regard

 

[jeremy]

Believe me. Us and Vandy are not in the same level of talent. Only reason we barley beat them by a FG is because of the crapy playcalling. I am not trying to say "oh they can't touch us". Its just that they are still Vandy and we jump on top early then its over.

Talent is not the issue. They usually play us close and we always seem to underestimate them. They also have a lot of starters coming back. All I'm saying is that this game will tell us a lot about the team we've got.

 

[BamaMoon]

Think the talk is bad now? Wait until Saban loses a game. The Vandy game has meltdown potential. Last year we barely beat them by a field goal at home. In a few months we gotta play at their house. I can already see the talking heads now: "Hey Bama, you dont need to pay 40 million to lose to <insert team here>"

"The Vandy game has meltdown potential." This is what's wrong with the way some people are thinking (not saying you personally J). But in CNS's own words "it's a process." We will lose some games under his coaching. We will probably lose a few early on that we don't think we should lose (upsets occur to even great teams).

If the Bama Nation goes crazy if we were to lose to Vandy or some other team we think we should beat easily, this is the kind of behaivor that CNS will lament.

We can't place too much emphasis on a single game at this point of the "process." :BigA:

 

[Denny Chimes]

I'm tired of all the talk about it too. So let's start ANOTHER thread about it. :rolleye2:

Ding ding ding. We have a winner! I'm with you dude. Let's just play some football.

 

[red55]

People are simply going to talk about Nick leaving, so you better get used to it. In each of the five years he spent at LSU there were rumors of him leaving for the NFL. Nick is an ambitious and mobile guy, having never spent more than five years in any coaching job, so folks have always expected him to get happy feet. It doesn't mean he will leave, but people will talk about it, because he always has. He averaged 2.3 years before moving on as an assistant coach and he averages 3.2 years as a head coach.

 

[Bamafan78]

The other large contingent, other than LSU, that is, who will keep saying he'll leave are folks who just wish Bama and Saban ill, in no particular order. IOW, pure "Schadenfreude." They're not going to stop talking either. I, for one, believe that Saban is going to turn their complaints to dust in their mouths. He manufactures his own motivational wellsprings, but, believe me, he's added some people and groups lately...

Amen to that. I know I would have added some people, and groups!

 

[silentsam74]

Really?

Sonny Lubick - Colorado St. 1993- present
Bobby Bowden - FSU - 1976- present
Pat Hill - Fresno St. - 1997 - present
Lloyd Carr - Michigan - 1995 - present
Joe Paterno - Penn St. - 1966 - present
Joe Tiller - Purdue - 1997 - present
Jim Leavitt - So. Florida - 1997 - present
Jeff Bower - So. Miss - 1990 - present
Phillip Fullmer - Tennessee - 1992 - present
Frank Beamer - Virginia Tech - 1987 - present

I might have missed a couple.

Just to help your point out:
This will be Houston Nutt's 10th. After this season who knows.
Ears will make 10 if he stays at AU through 2008.
Kirk Ferentz of Iowa needs one more after this year for 10.
Stoops needs one more at OK after this year for 10.
This is Mack Brown's 10th season at Texas.
If Tommy Bowden survives his eternal 'hot seat' through '08 he'll have 10.
Mike Bellotti has been at Oregon 13 years.
Randy Edsall of UCONN needs one more after this year for 10.
This is Rocky Long's 10th year at New Mexico.
June Jones needs one more year after this to make 10 at Hawaii.
This is Joe Novak's 12th year at N. Illinois. We're familiar with them, no?
This is Larry Blakeney's 17th year at Troy.
And there is a host of six, seven, and eight year guys out there. Thats leaving out the old timers like Barry Alvarez and Fisher DeBerry that we lost this past year due to retirement. I don't much buy the theory that coaches move around more now as much as its the fact it gets much more coverage. Coach Bryant never stayed anywhere 10 years until Mama called. :biggrin2: A coach will move around until they get where they want to go if they are successful and if theyre not they'll go where they can get a job until they prove to be successful or until no one wants them as a head coach.

 

[bayoutider]

Just to help your point out:
This will be Houston Nutt's 10th. After this season who knows.
Ears will make 10 if he stays at AU through 2008.
Kirk Ferentz of Iowa needs one more after this year for 10.
Stoops needs one more at OK after this year for 10.
This is Mack Brown's 10th season at Texas.
If Tommy Bowden survives his eternal 'hot seat' through '08 he'll have 10.
Mike Bellotti has been at Oregon 13 years.
Randy Edsall of UCONN needs one more after this year for 10.
This is Rocky Long's 10th year at New Mexico.
June Jones needs one more year after this to make 10 at Hawaii.
This is Joe Novak's 12th year at N. Illinois. We're familiar with them, no?
This is Larry Blakeney's 17th year at Troy.
And there is a host of six, seven, and eight year guys out there. Thats leaving out the old timers like Barry Alvarez and Fisher DeBerry that we lost this past year due to retirement. I don't much buy the theory that coaches move around more now as much as its the fact it gets much more coverage. Coach Bryant never stayed anywhere 10 years until Mama called. :biggrin2: A coach will move around until they get where they want to go if they are successful and if theyre not they'll go where they can get a job until they prove to be successful or until no one wants them as a head coach.

Thanks for the help. I knew I missed a few and know those who have 8-9 years in the same program but Buzzard said 10 years and I was going to limit it to that. There are a bunch that recently retired who spent more than 10 years in the same program. I agree with you that a coach may move around till he gets where he wants to be. Sometimes he doesn't know where that is till he gets there.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Thanks for the help. I knew I missed a few and know those who have 8-9 years in the same program but Buzzard said 10 years and I was going to limit it to that. There are a bunch that recently retired who spent more than 10 years in the same program. I agree with you that a coach may move around till he gets where he wants to be. Sometimes he doesn't know where that is till he gets there.

I believe you mean deliveryman35. :biggrin2:

 

[LCN]

Bayou,

I get your point, it DOES happen, but out of 117 D-I schools, the list you present is still a very small minority. A good many of the coach in your list are "old school" coaches too, and I would argue that the average up and coming coach nowadays doesn't engender or have any concept of the kind of loyalty that these guys have exhibited toward their respective schools. We are living in a different time than what you and I grew up in. For the most part, it's all about the money now.

..... , no more than 10-12 could , or will , ever matter .



We should've ran him off last week . I'm getting nauseous . _evil:

Can't people recognize and see that CNS's career has come full circle ? _conf:

CNS + CSS = No difference . Spurrier just had 2 chances to leave and he didn't . Nor will CNS , unless he reads a bunch of this garbage on the web . _blank:

1 - He's not going back to the pro game .
2 - He'll never coach at another SEC school .
3 - That leaves 3-5 other schools on a similar level as that of the UofA . If any of them could actually hire him away from us , would they ever feel trustful enough to actually follow up and pull the trigger ? Not likely .

RELAX PEOPLE !!!!! Talk & whimpers of departure are embarrassing . _cry:

 

[HammerJammer]

my fear for saban leaving would be him ditching us because boosters and or admin meddled too much or because we somehow get hammered again by the nazis.

i'd be pretty surprised if he left for notre dame or ohio state (plus, you know when tressle leaves OSU it will be because they are going on probation.)

if the patriots tried to lure him away, maybe he'd take it? unlikely he would get offered that, so, i rule the pro's out.

 

[BIGBAM]

Ive got news for you lsu fans. Coaching leaving speak from "anti-Bama" trash has been going on since Stallings left and even when he was here. The newest edition is not exclusive to that mantra. Evidently you dont know what its like to be a Bama fan or else you would already know that plus how cutthroat it is to live here where football garbage false talk goes on 365 a year. In other words media talk that equals nothing but junk in the dumpster. Im not going to get into what we at UA bring to the table for a coach vs your school because if you dont automatically realize that to begin with then its not worth mentioning.

 

[007tider]

Here's my opinion on the whole thing.....

For a guy that's somewhat young for a college head coach, I don't see what the big deal is about him moving around so often. Of course he left Toledo. Of course he left Mich St. Those aren't exactly football powerhouses and he was a good coach who had better, more lucrative offers on the table and as a young guy, who wouldn't take that offer. He went to LSU and was very successful. So successful that the NFL noticed him and made him an even more lucrative offer to coach the NFL. As an LSU fan (sorry can't remember the name) pointed out, he had that itch to be a head coach in the NFL and he had to scratch it. I would be a little ill if I was an LSU fan but I can't blame CNS at all. But now he's coached enough in college to where his reputation his sky high and he's at one of the most prestigious programs in the country and he's tried the NFL game and realized he doesn't belong there. So my thought is, unless he's just trying to go from school to school to rebuild programs then we're pretty much safe. Once you get to so many million it really doesn't matter so I don't think anybody can offer him much more money wise. His family seems to be happy here and that would be the main thing for me. I'm not saying he's going to stay 20 years or anything but the cupboard should definitely be full when he does.

 

[jeremy]

Heres the bottom line: if he leaves, he leaves. The media is going to talk about it either way. Theres nothing any of us can do about it. Theres no point in getting all riled up over things beyond our control. I personally think he will hang around for as long or longer than he did at LSU. He just inked the contract...talking about when hes going to leave should be the last thing on our minds. Just enjoy the upcoming season