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Wow. Lot of psychics on this thread. :)

Well, I'll play. Only a major scandal at this point will keep Trump from being the republican nominee and then POTUS.
 

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Wow. Lot of psychics on this thread. :)

Well, I'll play. Only a major scandal at this point will keep Trump from being the republican nominee and then POTUS.
He would be very different from any elected POTUS in my recollection. Could you elaborate on your optimistic view of Trump's chances here?
 

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Wow. Lot of psychics on this thread. :)

Well, I'll play. Only a major scandal at this point will keep Trump from being the republican nominee and then POTUS.
Either you forgot the blue font or I'd like a sip of whatever you're sipping.
 

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Wow. Lot of psychics on this thread. :)

Well, I'll play. Only a major scandal at this point will keep Trump from being the republican nominee and then POTUS.
I'm not on the Trump bandwagon because I know we can do better for the white house. I also know we could do worse based on other people who are running (and I'm talking about both sides of the aisle). Most candidates stay in races until their popularity dips and the money dries up. With Trump, money is not the limiting factor. Republicans CANNOT just speak ill of him and dry up his support until he gracefully bows out. He will run until he decides he doesn't want to anymore, and it's anybody's guess as to when that will be.

He is getting lots of attention now because for so long Republicans have been told that they cannot say truthful things because they may offend someone and that other's feelings are more important than free speech. Then here comes a man who bombastically bucks that and a significant segment of people are cheering him on. This support will last until other nominees do the same (Ted Cruz did this today, calling out the senate majority leader as a liar on the senate floor). Rush and Hannity spent over an hour on their radio shows today glorifying this speech. Watch Cruz' poll numbers rise at least 4-5 points in the coming week or two with a lot of this new support coming at Trump's expense because it will be from the same crowd.

The truth is, our leaders are so careful to not say anything that can be taken the wrong way that they end up not saying anything worth listening to. Martin O'Malley had to apologize this week for saying All Lives Matter because it was construed as a slap in the face to the Black Lives Matter cause. Really??....A man can no longer say "All lives matter". Political correctness is unbelievable. When leaders publicly buck political correctness like Trump and Cruz, they will get attention followed by a bump in the polls.

Trump can easily run as an independent and give Republicans misery. My gut feeling is that he will not because he knows he can't win as an independent and won't want that loss on his resume. We all know he wants desperately to be regarded as a winner. But again, it is anybody's guess how long he will stay.
 

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He is getting lots of attention now because for so long Republicans have been told that they cannot say truthful things because they may offend someone and that other's feelings are more important than free speech. Then here comes a man who bombastically bucks that and a significant segment of people are cheering him on. This support will last until other nominees do the same (Ted Cruz did this today, calling out the senate majority leader as a liar on the senate floor). Rush and Hannity spent over an hour on their radio shows today glorifying this speech. Watch Cruz' poll numbers rise at least 4-5 points in the coming week or two with a lot of this new support coming at Trump's expense because it will be from the same crowd.
I believe a lot of Trumps cachet comes from candor that other members of both parties cannot employ.
The Democrat "I want illegals voting Democrat as soon as possible" policy keeps them from even being remotely honest about illegals.
Republicans "I want illegals undercutting American labor to keep business costs down" policy does the same for them.
I don't care for Trump (he is an arrogant Yankee blowhard who is a fiscal liberal), but Trump is the only one talking about the immigration issue.
 
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I believe a lot of Trumps cachet comes from candor that other members of both parties cannot employ.
The Democrat "I want illegals voting Democrat as soon as possible" policy keeps them from even being remotely honest about illegals.
Republicans "I want illegals undercutting American labor to keep business costs down" policy does the same for them.
I don't care for Trump (he is an arrogant Yankee blowhard whose is a fiscal liberal), but Trump is the only one talking about the immigration issue.
Well stated. Maybe some other candidates will see his polls rise and talk about important issues as well.
 

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I'm not on the Trump bandwagon because I know we can do better for the white house. I also know we could do worse based on other people who are running (and I'm talking about both sides of the aisle). Most candidates stay in races until their popularity dips and the money dries up. With Trump, money is not the limiting factor. Republicans CANNOT just speak ill of him and dry up his support until he gracefully bows out. He will run until he decides he doesn't want to anymore, and it's anybody's guess as to when that will be.

He is getting lots of attention now because for so long Republicans have been told that they cannot say truthful things because they may offend someone and that other's feelings are more important than free speech. Then here comes a man who bombastically bucks that and a significant segment of people are cheering him on. This support will last until other nominees do the same (Ted Cruz did this today, calling out the senate majority leader as a liar on the senate floor). Rush and Hannity spent over an hour on their radio shows today glorifying this speech. Watch Cruz' poll numbers rise at least 4-5 points in the coming week or two with a lot of this new support coming at Trump's expense because it will be from the same crowd.

The truth is, our leaders are so careful to not say anything that can be taken the wrong way that they end up not saying anything worth listening to. Martin O'Malley had to apologize this week for saying All Lives Matter because it was construed as a slap in the face to the Black Lives Matter cause. Really??....A man can no longer say "All lives matter". Political correctness is unbelievable. When leaders publicly buck political correctness like Trump and Cruz, they will get attention followed by a bump in the polls.

Trump can easily run as an independent and give Republicans misery. My gut feeling is that he will not because he knows he can't win as an independent and won't want that loss on his resume. We all know he wants desperately to be regarded as a winner. But again, it is anybody's guess how long he will stay.
I'm not sure he has to win in order to declare it a victory...
 

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There is so much "precedent" for what Trump is doing that it's not even funny.

In 1968, George Wallace began rising rapidly in the polls right after the assassination of Senator Robert F. Kennedy. The reason? Because he was "telling it like it is." His motto was "there ain't a dime's worth of difference" between the two political parties (this sound familiar to anyone?). His drawing power was limited by virtue of his already established reputation as a racist, but he was collaring 25% of the national vote in a three-man race up until he chose Curtis LeMay as his running mate (October 3, 1968). And for the record, over 40% of his national votes came from OUTSIDE of the South - union men in the Rust Belt, etc.

In 1992, H. Ross Perot went on "Larry King Live" two nights after Clinton and Buchanan both lost the NH primary (while the press touted both of them as if they had won). When I went into boot camp on 24 February, I didn't even know about Perot; when I got out, he was skyrocketing in the polls. In fact, on the day Clinton won the California primary (June 2), polling had Perot in SECOND, ahead of Clinton (36-33-30, well within the MOE). But then the Republicans turned their guns on Perot, trotting out daily to administer talking points. Story after story after story revealed Perot to be a - shall we say - "investigative" personality. It got out that he had threatened to publish photos of a news reporter in a compromising situation if a particular story was reported. His entire "straight talking" appeal was already on the wane even before he abandoned the ship in July because it was easy to uncover instances of where he was more of a devious business man than anything else.

This happens every so often - the populace is always fed up with "politics as usual" and hungers for something different. They want to actually believe that they can make a difference and that things can change. Jesse Jackson even parlayed this appeal in 1988 to a runner-up slot in the Democratic primaries. Sure, Jackson said a bunch of stuff that would have eliminated a white candidate from the same race because back then the press dared not call him out on for fear of being branded a racist. In 2012, Herman Cain was popular for a brief period of time - and then it came out he had a zipper problem or something close to that.


It'll happen again. My brother, who is pretty smart but isn't the most 'astute' observer yet (he's only 29 so cut him so slack) made the point the only reason Trump is polling well is because the rest of the GOP vote is split by 15 other candidates - and that as soon as it comes down to "Trump versus the Alternative" IF it reaches that stage........the alternative will win. What no candidate wants to do is peak too soon.

The candidate I'm most interested in at this point (the one who seems to have some appeal) is Walker, primarily because: a) he's a governor; b) he's a Republican elected in a primarily Democratic state; and c) if he can frame his anti-union decisions under the rubric of "making tough choices," he has a shot at appealing to the sensible center. (It always kills me how the objection listed to any Republican is "well the unions hate him" - uh, the unions don't vote GOP anyway....that's like saying Hillary can't win because "the NRA doesn't like her"). I don't know how he is as a candidate because I haven't watched him - and winning a limited universe of voters is far different than winning the entire country.


I'm not really "for" anyone at this point (I haven't been except for my first vote in 1988; every single Presidential vote since then has been AGAINST somebody, usually both candidates).
 

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There is so much "precedent" for what Trump is doing that it's not even funny.

In 1968, George Wallace began rising rapidly in the polls right after the assassination of Senator Robert F. Kennedy. The reason? Because he was "telling it like it is." His motto was "there ain't a dime's worth of difference" between the two political parties (this sound familiar to anyone?). His drawing power was limited by virtue of his already established reputation as a racist, but he was collaring 25% of the national vote in a three-man race up until he chose Curtis LeMay as his running mate (October 3, 1968). And for the record, over 40% of his national votes came from OUTSIDE of the South - union men in the Rust Belt, etc.

In 1992, H. Ross Perot went on "Larry King Live" two nights after Clinton and Buchanan both lost the NH primary (while the press touted both of them as if they had won). When I went into boot camp on 24 February, I didn't even know about Perot; when I got out, he was skyrocketing in the polls. In fact, on the day Clinton won the California primary (June 2), polling had Perot in SECOND, ahead of Clinton (36-33-30, well within the MOE). But then the Republicans turned their guns on Perot, trotting out daily to administer talking points. Story after story after story revealed Perot to be a - shall we say - "investigative" personality. It got out that he had threatened to publish photos of a news reporter in a compromising situation if a particular story was reported. His entire "straight talking" appeal was already on the wane even before he abandoned the ship in July because it was easy to uncover instances of where he was more of a devious business man than anything else.

This happens every so often - the populace is always fed up with "politics as usual" and hungers for something different. They want to actually believe that they can make a difference and that things can change. Jesse Jackson even parlayed this appeal in 1988 to a runner-up slot in the Democratic primaries. Sure, Jackson said a bunch of stuff that would have eliminated a white candidate from the same race because back then the press dared not call him out on for fear of being branded a racist. In 2012, Herman Cain was popular for a brief period of time - and then it came out he had a zipper problem or something close to that.


It'll happen again. My brother, who is pretty smart but isn't the most 'astute' observer yet (he's only 29 so cut him so slack) made the point the only reason Trump is polling well is because the rest of the GOP vote is split by 15 other candidates - and that as soon as it comes down to "Trump versus the Alternative" IF it reaches that stage........the alternative will win. What no candidate wants to do is peak too soon.

The candidate I'm most interested in at this point (the one who seems to have some appeal) is Walker, primarily because: a) he's a governor; b) he's a Republican elected in a primarily Democratic state; and c) if he can frame his anti-union decisions under the rubric of "making tough choices," he has a shot at appealing to the sensible center. (It always kills me how the objection listed to any Republican is "well the unions hate him" - uh, the unions don't vote GOP anyway....that's like saying Hillary can't win because "the NRA doesn't like her"). I don't know how he is as a candidate because I haven't watched him - and winning a limited universe of voters is far different than winning the entire country.


I'm not really "for" anyone at this point (I haven't been except for my first vote in 1988; every single Presidential vote since then has been AGAINST somebody, usually both candidates).
Rubio/Walker would be a pretty strong ticket competition-wise.
 

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Whether Trump is successful in his bid is really inconsequential. What is of importance though is his threat to run on a 3d party ticket, a topic that's been raised on this board numerous times before. If he is the impetus in starting that 3d party, and it survives to attract other future candidates, this country will be all the better for it.
 

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Trump is the only candidate addressing the issues that most Americans are concerned with. i.e....illegal immigration or protecting our borders or dealing strong against tyranny, improving our trade and most of all making America stand tall again.

I am not totally convinced he can win but at this point he is leading making every republican candidate sweat. If Trump gets into the debate and can hold his own without losing his temper and he can tone down the attacks then channel his pursuit in resolving the ills confronting America with solid plans that Americans can buy into then he could win in 2016. It would help if Hillary stumbles badly over her email or Benghazi issues or she makes one or two serious gaffes prior to election.

At this point he is the only candidate I could support. The republicans have too many in the field and none of them offer a serious challenge to Democrats. The Republicans need to find the spark to turn all those sure thing Democrat votes with Hispanics, Blacks and Women to their side. Daunting challenge. Democrats know paying those three assures victory. I cannot understand why so many like Hillary considering all the lies she continually tells without impunity. If you think Obama is bad just wait until the Clinton's regains the House.

Keep it up Donald. Hopefully if he does not win then others will see the response Trump receives from America and take up many of the banners he created. I would just like My America back to being America.
 

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He has to realize that if he goes 3rd party, it will have the same but opposite effect that Nader had in 2000. The top republicans need to speak up BUT tread lightly.
 

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He has to realize that if he goes 3rd party, it will have the same but opposite effect that Nader had in 2000. The top republicans need to speak up BUT tread lightly.
Trump won't get Perots numbers, and probably won't get Nader's either. Trump running third party hurts both parties. Because if you look at it, he is going to force Hillary to answer for Benghazi and he will force Jeb,or whoever, to prove they aren't weak
 

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I saw an article today on Yahoo finance. The article mentioned 12 Trump business failures from steaks to a magazine. How in the world is he still a $10+ Billionaire?

Do we need someone with all his business failures? However, he has been more than a community organizer. He can talk tooooooo, sometimes tooooo much. Someone told me recently that he got in front of a mirror and gave himself a pep talk prior to delivering a speech.

I was afraid to post the article above even though I didn't see any inappropriate comments. However, I don't want to be banned with the football season so close. RTR!!!!!!!
 

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I saw an article today on Yahoo finance. The article mentioned 12 Trump business failures from steaks to a magazine. How in the world is he still a $10+ Billionaire?

Do we need someone with all his business failures? However, he has been more than a community organizer. He can talk tooooooo, sometimes tooooo much. Someone told me recently that he got in front of a mirror and gave himself a pep talk prior to delivering a speech.

I was afraid to post the article above even though I didn't see any inappropriate comments. However, I don't want to be banned with the football season so close. RTR!!!!!!!
Go ahead and post it, if there's nothing in it inappropriate. Also, we don't ban for that. We just delete the link. I've posted some links where I look back and thought "crap!" and deleted them. Back to Trump, being born on 3rd base and inheriting something between 200 and 400 million doesn't hurt. Nevertheless, he basically went totally broke back in 1990 and it took a lot of banks and other creditors taking a haircut and swapping 1st mortgages for junior liens for him to make it out of the jam. However, give him credit for making it out. After that crisis, he did a much better job of insulating his enterprises from each other, so that he could bankrupt one or the other, a NJ casino, for example, without bringing down his whole empire...
 

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I saw an article today on Yahoo finance. The article mentioned 12 Trump business failures from steaks to a magazine. How in the world is he still a $10+ Billionaire?

Do we need someone with all his business failures?
However, he has been more than a community organizer. He can talk tooooooo, sometimes tooooo much. Someone told me recently that he got in front of a mirror and gave himself a pep talk prior to delivering a speech.

I was afraid to post the article above even though I didn't see any inappropriate comments. However, I don't want to be banned with the football season so close. RTR!!!!!!!
Better to have tried, and failed, than never to have tried at all.
 
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