Trump's Policies Part 4

[selmaborntidefan]

It has been fun to watch the spin machine rev up here and swing into action. The steps were fairly predictable.
1. The use of Signal was approved by the Biden Administration.

Blame Biden. Check.

2. Get the DNI to say nothing classified was revealed.

This was not a big deal. Check.

3. The conversation was leaked on purposes (to make some points to various people).

"What you think was a mistake was the master chess player playing 48-dimensional chess." Check.

And while I haven't yet heard the administration do it, their loyal hired assassins at Faux News chimed in with predictable monkey flinging feces along the lines of "Goldberg made it up, Goldberg inserted himself into the call, Goldberg should have kept his mouth shut about this non-classified stuff".

I think it would have been refreshing if the White House had just said, "We screwed up. We are looking into how that happened and we will fix this."

When you were trained that apology is a sign of weakness, your valid points become impossible. This is not unique to Trump, of course, he's just the most narcissistic and incapable. I said years ago that what turned Hillary's "email scandal" into the big news story it became was her flat out refusal to admit maybe she shouldn't have done it. She, too, was trained in the child abuse tactic that apology equals weakness.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Jesse Watters:
Journalists like Goldberg will sometimes send out fake names with a contact with their cells to deceive politicians… It wouldn’t surprise me if Goldberg sneaked his way in

 

[Tidewater]

I would like to read more of the content of the discussion, not what others have said about the content.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Even I'm not dumb enough to accidentally send my war plans to take over the world to the wrong people. When I send out my war plans, I at least include the right people. Geeze, amateurs!!!!

 

[Tidewater]

You always have to go to the source material.
CNBC published a partial list.





Especially rich is the statement about being "clean on OPSEC." Well, except for the SECDEF, and the rest of the members of this group, we are clean.
Atlantic has published the entire string of texts, but I am not a subscriber.

For me, the biggest issue in this exchange is showing that we know (a) where the rocket-maker's girlfiend lives, and (b) can see he is with his girlfriend.

The fact that Vance is so casual about dropping an entire apartment building to get the rocket-maker is also disturbing.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

OK everyone, get ready - we're about to go from "The Atlantic hid stuff from us because it would have made us look better" to "the Atlantic committed treason by broadcasting this classified material that wasn't classified."

 

[selmaborntidefan]

"Hey, we wanna know how he got into the room?"

Uh.....ok!!!

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Trump signs executive order requiring proof of citizenship to register to vote in federal elections

Election experts said the sweeping order, which could risk disenfranchising millions, will most likely be met with legal challenges.

www.nbcnews.com

Trump's order directs the Election Assistance Commission, an independent, bipartisan commission that supports election officials, to redo its voter registration form and require voters to show U.S. passports or other government ID that shows citizenship to register to vote.

I would suggest a betting pool to see how fast the 9th Circuit jumps all over this, but I suspect it will happen faster than the pool can be created.

 

[mdb-tpet]

The fact that Vance is so casual about dropping an entire apartment building to get the rocket-maker is also disturbing.

Can you imagine your family and friends all getting killed just because one stupid guy you don't even know walks in the building. What a stupid world we live in. (not directed at you, just a general you).

 

[selmaborntidefan]

I would suggest a betting pool to see how fast the 9th Circuit jumps all over this, but I suspect it will happen faster than the pool can be created.

Aren't elections a local thing?
And hasn't that been a GOP mantra since, like, 1854?

Also, this has to be my favorite:
The order also says votes should be “cast and received” by Election Day

All you Navy guys on the vessels or Marines or Army guys deployed?
SCREW YOU! it doesn't matter if your ballot is POSTMARKED by Election Day, it has to arrive or your vote don't count.

 

[Tidewater]

Can you imagine your family and friends all getting killed just because one stupid guy you don't even know walks in the building. What a stupid world we live in. (not directed at you, just a general you).

Yeah, I know.
The Law of Armed Conflict is pretty clear: aim for the combatant and if others get hurt, that is unfortunate and not intended, but their are still dead.
The US (and Europeans) have added a collateral damage (CD) risk assessment. How important is the target? How many noncombatants are likely to die if we proceed with the strike (and the answer is not "no strike unless we can guarantee no civilians casualties" because adopting that as the standard would mean unethical combatants would just set up facilities under schools)? Is the target worth the CD?
In Serbia in 1999, European countries were extremely risk averse when it came to CD. The US were more willing to accept the CD risk.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

So for everyone keeping score at home....

Democratic President:
Oral sex is NOT sex.

Republican President:
Attack plan is not a war plan.

Other Republican President:
This (the 9/11 attacks) is an act of war.

Republican President Before He Was President:
D-Day is just an attack plan, not a war plan.

 

[Tidewater]

"War Plans" was an overselling of the information it seems.
I looked for an example of a war plan (they are normally classified, even after needed).
I did find an online copy of War Plan Red (a weird plan for a potential war between the US and the British Empire) dates 8 May 1930. 132 pages of joyful reading.
There is a lot of "estimate" info (current forces, production capabilities, etc.)
Page 58-63 show the essence of the plan. Five courses of action. The Army and Navy recommended Plan II: "To initiate promptly operations to separate CRIMSON (Canada) from RED (Britain) through the destruction of enemy forces in CRIMSON and the seizure of vital CRIMSON areas" such as an amphibious landing at Halifax Nova Scotia.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Aren't elections a local thing?
And hasn't that been a GOP mantra since, like, 1854?

Also, this has to be my favorite:
The order also says votes should be “cast and received” by Election Day

All you Navy guys on the vessels or Marines or Army guys deployed?
SCREW YOU! it doesn't matter if your ballot is POSTMARKED by Election Day, it has to arrive or your vote don't count.

Haven't there always been exceptions for deployed soldiers? One would think that would continue, but then again, literally nothing surprises me anymore. And yes, elections have always been a "local thing" but federal elections have come under fire recently. (Although why it's only "recently" is a mystery to me. I haven't trusted American election outcomes since 2000. Clearly I'm not alone; there's a reason why half the country doesn't vote.)

It would be nice to shore up election security and give the conspiracy theorists less to complain about, but I don't see that happening, do you? The histrionics over this will be deafening.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Haven't there always been exceptions for deployed soldiers? One would think that would continue, but then again, literally nothing surprises me anymore. And yes, elections have always been a "local thing" but federal elections have come under fire recently. (Although why it's only "recently" is a mystery to me. I haven't trusted American election outcomes since 2000. Clearly I'm not alone; there's a reason why half the country doesn't vote.)

It would be nice to shore up election security and give the conspiracy theorists less to complain about, but I don't see that happening, do you? The histrionics over this will be deafening.

that’s part of what Trump is proposing. You are correct, they just had to be postmarked by election day and if I’m not mistaken at one point, there were a few days after election day maybe three that it could be postmarked.

but what I just quoted, you is what Cheeto Jesus wants to do.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

"War Plans" was an overselling of the information it seems.
I looked for an example of a war plan (they are normally classified, even after needed).
I did find an online copy of War Plan Red (a weird plan for a potential war between the US and the British Empire) dates 8 May 1930. 132 pages of joyful reading.
There is a lot of "estimate" info (current forces, production capabilities, etc.)
Page 58-63 show the essence of the plan. Five courses of action. The Army and Navy recommended Plan II: "To initiate promptly operations to separate CRIMSON (Canada) from RED (Britain) through the destruction of enemy forces in CRIMSON and the seizure of vital CRIMSON areas" such as an amphibious landing at Halifax Nova Scotia.

I will grant “war plan” may have been a click bait type headline, but I also don’t think that changes anything about the colossal stupidity that has made this a story.

 

[Tidewater]

I will grant “war plan” may have been a click bait type headline, but I also don’t think that changes anything about the colossal stupidity that has made this a story.

The Atlantic is selling newspapers (metaphorically) so I can forgive that.
The real question is why tell anyone you are in the group chat? Man, he could have mined that for 3¾ more years. Yeah, someone could have caught the initials and said, "Hey, wait a minute, who is 'JG'?" but the longer it went, the more info he could have gleaned. Worth the risk, in my opinion. I'd've let it bake.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

The Atl;antic is selling newspapers (metaphorically) so I can forgive that.
The reaal question is why tell anyone you are oin the group chat? Man, he could have mined that for 3¾ more years. Yeah, someone could have caught the initials and said, "Hey, wait a minute, who is 'JG'?" but the longer it went, the more info he could have gleaned. Worth the risk, in my opinion. I'd've let it bake.

That was my exact same thought when I first heard this story. On the other hand, he probably figured somebody was gonna have enough of a brain to go look through it, and given the administration we are talking about, they would try to say he broke in or something, and then they would make the accusations they’re making now anyway.

 

[Bamaro]

And when asked if she used Signal on her personal phone to join the meeting, National Security Advisor(erstwhile Russian asset )Tulsi Gabbard refused to answer.

Answer the g.d. question and do so honestly. She basically took the Fifth.

Our nation is in the hands of these despicable people.

______________________________________
"Yes, I used my own phone"
______________________________________
(reading between the lines)

 

[Its On A Slab]

Point of order: This scandal is hereby known as SIGNAL-GHAZI.

Signal-ghazi, Signal-ghazi. Because Signal-Ghazi!