Trump's Policies Part 5
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I think stuff like this could easily be avoided by coordinating with the secretary's staff beforehand, "Hey, Secretary Noem's coordinator, I'm Senator Padilla. I'd like to ask the Secretary some questions at he press conference."
And if the Secretary's assistant says, ""Sorry, the Secretary won't be taking questions at that time," then Padilla can set up his own press conference immediately after or better yet, before the Secretary's to feed the press relevant questions, so they can ask.
Just showing up, interrupting the scheduled event, and then yelling "I'm Senator Alex Padilla" does not give the Senator carte blanche to interrupt the scheduled event. If it did, then you'd see lots of folks showing up at events and yelling, "No, I'm Senator Padilla. Now, let me do whatever I want!" Then others would show up yelling, "No, I'm Spartacus!"
The security for the event saw an unscheduled interruption, some guy telling the security detachment that he was Senator Padilla (without documentation), and yelling and scuffling with security. Of course, you take this guy out of the room away from the Secretary and if he is physically resisting, you secure him, with handcuffs if necessary, and then investigate who he is and what he is trying to do.
I do not see a problem with that at all. Just showing up and yelling so you can get video of the Senator being handcuffed is grandstanding.
And if the Secretary's assistant says, ""Sorry, the Secretary won't be taking questions at that time," then Padilla can set up his own press conference immediately after or better yet, before the Secretary's to feed the press relevant questions, so they can ask.
Just showing up, interrupting the scheduled event, and then yelling "I'm Senator Alex Padilla" does not give the Senator carte blanche to interrupt the scheduled event. If it did, then you'd see lots of folks showing up at events and yelling, "No, I'm Senator Padilla. Now, let me do whatever I want!" Then others would show up yelling, "No, I'm Spartacus!"
The security for the event saw an unscheduled interruption, some guy telling the security detachment that he was Senator Padilla (without documentation), and yelling and scuffling with security. Of course, you take this guy out of the room away from the Secretary and if he is physically resisting, you secure him, with handcuffs if necessary, and then investigate who he is and what he is trying to do.
I do not see a problem with that at all. Just showing up and yelling so you can get video of the Senator being handcuffed is grandstanding.
I agree but this was never about "just asking questions". It was a political stunt for the cameras and he got just what he wanted: A video of a defenseless "brown person" being manhandled and cuffed by a "fascist regime".
Well stated! That won’t stop some from pushing or pretending to believe the official narrative, but what’s happening here is about as obvious as a circus clown in a men’s room.
Digression, but Emperor Crassus, who crucified Spartacus and the other slaves, was himself executed following the battle of Carrhae, in his invasion of Parthia. The honor of performing it was granted to a former Roman gladiator, who'd managed to escape Crassus' dragnet and join the Parthian army. Talk about karma...
I'm not giving the trump administration a pass on this one. Wanting to ask a question at a press conference shold NEVER result in someone being treated this way. Especially a US Senator who is known to all!
It was a deplorable way for the administration to act!
It was a deplorable way for the administration to act!
Nobody needs a pass. He showed up to disrupt and get a photo op. It had nothing to do with asking a question. He was asked to leave and refused. They only resorted to carrying him out against his will when he refused a perfectly valid request to stop disrupting the press conference. Senators are not gods and they should not be immune to the same rules we have to follow. How long do you think one of us would have lasted if we pulled the same stunt. Also, the "known to all" is not quite true. I had never heard of this guy until the news story, Senator or not.
This is what we wind up with, after trump sets the bar so low. for his people
Why do I get the feeling that if Ted Cruz pulled a stupid stunt like this and wound up on the floor, he totally would have gotten what was coming to him?This is what we wind up with, after trump sets the bar so low. for his people
The fact that Cruz has never had that happen to him says all we need to know.
No, but an unknown person (who has not yet shown ID to establish he is who he says he is), and is being disruptive and refusing to follow the directions of the security detachment can expect to get shoved out of the room, thrown to the floor, and handcuffed.
Once the security detachment established he was who he said he was, he was released.
I do not know where the Secretary of Homeland Security is in the order of succession, but I'd bet she is in top ten.
At the moment he was shoved out the door, the folks responsible for her security did not know who he was. He was just a disruptive person who was not following directions from security. A possible threat (based on his behavior) until shown to be otherwise.
Padilla is the ranking member of the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Immigration, Refugees, and Border Security.Noem's security might not have known who he is, but she and her staff almost certainly did.
Considering they exchanged numbers after the fact, I’m gonna assume they did not.
It’s true, I’ve never seen him do anything that stupid, but there’s a first time for everything. ðŸ˜Â
They knew but didn't care. They were the ones performing for their boss.
He may not be a propagandist- he may well be this colossally stupid. He didn’t know what Pearl Harbor was.
All the more reason to coordinate with the staff beforehand.
I have seen nothing top indicate that the security folks knew who he was at the time.
The security guy's job is to keep the secretary safe.
While the secretary is speaking, some unknown dude shows up yelling at the Secretary, and claiming to be a senator, but producing no ID. When asked to step out into the. hallway.to get things sorted out, he refused. Now you have a mentally unbalanced (because sane people do not act this way), noncooperative person in close proximity to the secretary. Time to separate him from the secretary whether the unknown person wants to or not.
If you want to have a favorable interaction with the police, then do what the police say. If they are wrong, you can take it up with their boss later or file a law suit.
Might I trouble you to share what evidence do you have thatr the security guy knew who this guy yelling at the secretary was?
He was was telling them who he was but I guess you can excuse them, the security, for being incredibly stupid. That narative fits most of the administration.
I heard him say he was Alex Padilla but he did not show ID at the time or coordinate beforehand with Noem's staff, as far as I can tell.
What I saw was Noem speaking, and somebody trying to interrupt her mid-sentence. That is just rude. If a political figure announces a speech, they are not asking for questions from the audience, unless they specifically say, "Does anybody have any questions?"
Now if it is a public give-and-take between Noem and Padilla, that can certainly be set up, but that requires prior coordination.
I would say the same thing if Cruz showed up at a Newsom speech and started interrupting and heckling, I'd cheer security shoving him out of the room as well.
And I agree with you about political theater, Noem is particularly prone to it. And it looks silly. (NVGs in her kitchen oin broad daylight.)
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The security detail might not have known. The moment called for de-escalation, but that's not in most LEO's arsenal.
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