VT Roster Breakdown

For a team who has not placed higher than 90th in total offense the past 5 years I just find it hard to believe they will be a NC contender. That is not to say they won't beat us or give us all we can handle because on the flip of the coin VT has been in the top 10 on defense for what seems like forever....
Should be a battle of defensive wills and here's hoping we can break theirs~!~


I'm as cynical about VT's offense as anyone, but that's not entirely accurate. You also got to remember that VT is a run first, ball control, run the clock type of offense, so the YPG will always be a little misleading. The best way to measure VT is scoring offense. Anyways here's the stats:

2004 (VT Finished ranked 10th) - Had 3 losses this year; two of those 3 teams went undefeated.

Total Offense: 65th (383.8 YPG)
Rushing Offense: 32nd (178.2 YPG)
Scoring Offense: 25th (30.8 PPG)

2005 (VT Finished ranked 7th) - This is probably our best offense in the last 5 years, and it should have been better than these rankings. We had 3 WRs who are currently starters in the NFL, Eddie Royal, Josh Morgan, David Clowney, and another who is currently on the Ravens roster in Justin Harper. We also had a 1st team all ACC QB in Marcus Vick.

Total Offense: 57th (398.3 YPG)
Rushing Offense: 29th (190.7 YPG)
Scoring Offense: 17th (33.8 PPG)

2006 (VT Finished ranked 19th) – This is where it starts to get UGLY. This team was led by Sean Glennon, and despite having GREAT WRs (Clowney, Royal, Morgan, and Harper). VT was still PUTRID on offense, and unlike in 2007 and 2008, seemed to get worse as the year went on.

Total Offense: 99th (383.8 YPG)
Rushing Offense: 89th (113.4 YPG)
Scoring Offense: 49th (25.8 PPG)

2007 (VT Finished ranked 9th in the AP) – We had 3 NFL WRs in their senior season (Clowney was gone) and still produced a putrid offense.

Total Offense: 102nd (351.6 YPG)
Rushing Offense: 83rd (133.0 YPG)
Scoring Offense: 54th (28.7 PPG)

2008 (VT Finished ranked 15th) – Horrible offense, but solid run game.

Total Offense: 103rd (335.1 YPG)
Rushing Offense: 35th (174.4 YPG)
Scoring Offense: 90th (22.1 PPG)
 
OFFENSE

It's no secret that VT's offense has been downright offensive the last few years. However, 2009 could be the year that all the pieces fall into place. The OL looks better than it has in years, there is depth and experience at RB, TE, and WR, and perhaps most importantly, Tyrod Taylor had an entire offseason to work as the starter without having to worry about a position battle. The only significant losses from 2008 are QB Sean Glennon, C Ryan Shuman, OG Nick Marshman, and FB Devin Perez. Here's a breakdown of the 2009 unit:


OFFENSIVE LINE

Left Tackle: #77 Ed Wang (rSr, 6'5"/301): Started every game in 2008 after moving over from right tackle. Finished the year strong with solid performances in ACCCG and Orange Bowl. Has had some injury issues but was healthy for the entire 2008 season. Quick, athletic player who must be solid in pass protection to give Tyrod Taylor time to develop as a passer.

Left Guard: #70 Sergio Render (Sr, 6'3"/319): Powerful interior lineman with good hands and quickness. Entering his fourth year as a starter. Was a 2nd-team all-ACC selection in 2008. Moved to LG in the Orange Bowl and will start there in 2009. Had offseason shoulder surgery and missed spring practice. Preseason 2nd-team all-ACC selection.

Center: #60 Beau Warren (rJr, 6'3"/277): Hardworking player who served as a backup to Ryan Shuman the last two years. Has game experience including several starts. Father Don played 14 years in the NFL for the Redskins and older brothers Brett and Blake both played for VT.

Right Guard: #68 Jaymes Brooks (rSo, 6'2"/300): Strong, physical player who saw limited action early in 2008. Started in the Orange Bowl after Nick Marshman was ruled ineligible and played well. Very athletic and one of the strongest players on the OL.

Right Tackle: #62 Blake DeChristopher (rSo, 6'5"/303): Returning starter is expected to have a big year this year. Missed a couple games early in 2008 due to injury and his absence had a significant impact on the unit. Started the final 10 games and played well. Must avoid injury in 2009 to maintain cohesiveness on the line.


BACKFIELD

Quarterback: #5 Tyrod Taylor (Jr, 6'1"/216): Was pressed into action as a true freshman in 2007, and is 13-2 as a starter since. Explosive runner who is a threat to turn any play into a highlight. Rushed for 429 yards and 6 TDs in 2007, 738 yards and 7 TDs in 2008. Despite his rushing success, Taylor has struggled in the passing game, throwing for only 1963 yards, 7 TDs, and 10 interceptions over two seasons. In order for the Hokies to be successful in 2009, Taylor must improve as a passer and must limit turnovers; in addition to throwing 7 interceptions in 2008, he fumbed 6 times, although only two were lost to the opposing team. Should improve significantly in 2009 with all the talent around him, but needs to become comfortable in the pocket and make good reads. Word from the coaches is that the game has slowed down for him and expectations are very high now that he's the unquestioned starter going into the season.

Fullback: #42 Kenny Jefferson (rSr, 5'9"/220): Was the #2 FB the last two seasons and now assumes the starting job. Physical and experienced player who knows the system and relishes contact.

Tailback: #32 Darren Evans (rSo, 6'0"/213): Had a sensational freshman season (1265 yards rushing, 11 TDs) after moving into the starting spot when Kenny Lewis Jr. was injured. Bruising, downhill runner who set a VT bowl record with 153 yards against Cincinnati and won MVP honors. Also set the VT single-game record for rushing with 253 yards against Maryland. Preseason 2nd-team all-ACC selection.


TIGHT END/WIDE RECEIVERS

Tight End: #8 Greg Boone (rSr, 6'3"/287): Had 22 catches for 278 yards and 2 TDs along with 21 rushes for 76 yards and 1 TD. Big, strong blocker and good receiver. Hard to bring down once he has the ball in his hands. Was initially recruited as a QB and plays that position in VT's "wild turkey" formation. Preseason 1st-team all-ACC selection.

Split End: #81 Jarrett Boykin (rFr, 6'2"/213): Became a starter midway through the 2008 season. Caught 30 passes for 441 yards. Big, physical receiver with huge hands.

Flanker: #19 Danny Coale (rSo, 6'0"/205): Started every game in 2008 as a redshirt freshman and had 36 receptions for 408 yards. Consistent, hardworking player who doesn't drop many balls and will do whatever it takes to make a key play.


KEY BACKUPS

Guard: #75 Greg Nosal (rSo, 6'6"/285): Started most of the spring while Render was out. Was the backup tackle last year. Whether he stays at guard or moves back to tackle, Nosal is expected to make a big contribution this year providing much-needed depth on the line.

Tackle: #54 Nick Becton (rFr, 6'5"/292): Key backup at the all-important left tackle position. If Wang suffers an injury it will be up to Becton to protect Tyrod's blind side.

Tailback: #34 Ryan Williams (rFr, 5'9"/205): Highly-rated recruit put on a show at the spring game. Great combination of speed and power. Worked hard during his redshirt year to improve pass blocking, especially blitz pickup responsibilities. Williams is a true home-run hitter who will be a very nice complement to Evans. Williams will also return punts in 2009.

Tight End: #88 Andre Smith (rJr, 6'4"/267) is a dominant blocker with good hands. Missed spring practice while recovering from shoulder surgery but should be ready to go in the fall. #18 Sam Wheeler (rSr, 6'3"/258) was one best receiving TEs in the conference before suffering a torn ACL against GT in 2007. He was not at full speed in 2008 but will be back in the mix this season.

Receiver: #7 Marcus Davis (rFr, 6'4"/231), #29 Xavier Boyce (rFr, 6'4"/223), #11 Dyrell Roberts (So, 6'1"/192), and #80 Brandon Dillard (rSr, 5'11"/177) provide much-needed depth at the receiver position. Dillard is a former walk-on who was a likely starter in 2008 before he suffered a torn achilles and missed the season. Before the injury he was one of the fastest players on the team with sub-4.3 speed. Boyce earned playing time as a true freshman in 2008 before hurting his knee and missing most of the season. Roberts is a potential playmaker at WR and also returns kickoffs (he averaged 24.8 yards per return in 2008). Davis is a tremendous athlete who missed the 2008 season with a shoulder injury. He nearly won the backup QB job this spring. The coaches moved to WR in order to get him on the field sooner.


FRESHMAN WHO MIGHT MAKE AN IMPACT

Tailback: David Wilson (Fr, 5'11"/195): One of the top RB recruits in the country. Will probably redshirt this year due to the depth ahead of him, but might already be the best back on the team. Fast and incredibly strong (600lb squat!), he might just be too good to NOT play in 2009.

Tight End: Logan Thomas (Fr, 6'6"/230): Ranked #1 tight end prospect in the country by SuperPrep. Also played QB, WR, and DB in high school. Has drawn comparisons to Percy Harvin due to his versatility. Not sure where he might end up on the field (WR?), but if he doesn't redshirt he will make an impact wherever it is.
Regarding Freshman tailback David Wilson -- you put him squatting 600 pounds; Rivals had him squatting 525 coming out of high school. Trent Richardson squatted 585 in HS, according to Rivals.
 
Glad to see some civil and informative discussion concerning the big opener in ATL. Also let me just say thanks to FREEFALL for the detailed breakdown. TIDEFANS will always appreciate that amount of effort and detail from fellow college football fans.

Having said that let me address 2 things...

Number 1: "Wild Turkey" formation - That is the absolute best name yet I've heard for that package. Kudos.

and B: "Solid presence in the middle." - I can only say that you may rethink the definition of that after this one.

Other than this game, good luck to ya'll and hope ya'll have a great season!

Is it kick off time yet????
 
Freefall,

Thanks for the excellent post. Since we don't play VT that often I'm not that familiar with the majority of thier players. It is nice to get an idea of each of them. Looks like the DL and OL should be solid for you and should be an excellent measuring stick for our lines. I think both teams will know how good they are after this game because it will be a physical, tough game exactly like the personalities of both teams. I'm nervous I'll admit but I would rather play a game like this than open up with SW North Dakota St.
 
Regarding Freshman tailback David Wilson -- you put him squatting 600 pounds; Rivals had him squatting 525 coming out of high school. Trent Richardson squatted 585 in HS, according to Rivals.


David Wilson squatted 600 lbs when he came onto campus for summer workouts in mid july...im guessing the rivals numbers u are seeing are his high school numbers..so thats why he has him at 600
 
Glad to see some civil and informative discussion concerning the big opener in ATL. Also let me just say thanks to FREEFALL for the detailed breakdown. TIDEFANS will always appreciate that amount of effort and detail from fellow college football fans.

Having said that let me address 2 things...

Number 1: "Wild Turkey" formation - That is the absolute best name yet I've heard for that package. Kudos.

and B: "Solid presence in the middle." - I can only say that you may rethink the definition of that after this one.

Other than this game, good luck to ya'll and hope ya'll have a great season!

Is it kick off time yet????

our RB tandom offers yet another alcoholic reference Darren Evans and Ryan Williams...setting up a nice Evan Williams VT related tshirt design..
 
I'm as cynical about VT's offense as anyone, but that's not entirely accurate. You also got to remember that VT is a run first, ball control, run the clock type of offense, so the YPG will always be a little misleading. The best way to measure VT is scoring offense. Anyways here's the stats:

2004 (VT Finished ranked 10th) - Had 3 losses this year; two of those 3 teams went undefeated.

Total Offense: 65th (383.8 YPG)
Rushing Offense: 32nd (178.2 YPG)
Scoring Offense: 25th (30.8 PPG)

2005 (VT Finished ranked 7th) - This is probably our best offense in the last 5 years, and it should have been better than these rankings. We had 3 WRs who are currently starters in the NFL, Eddie Royal, Josh Morgan, David Clowney, and another who is currently on the Ravens roster in Justin Harper. We also had a 1st team all ACC QB in Marcus Vick.

Total Offense: 57th (398.3 YPG)
Rushing Offense: 29th (190.7 YPG)
Scoring Offense: 17th (33.8 PPG)

2006 (VT Finished ranked 19th) – This is where it starts to get UGLY. This team was led by Sean Glennon, and despite having GREAT WRs (Clowney, Royal, Morgan, and Harper). VT was still PUTRID on offense, and unlike in 2007 and 2008, seemed to get worse as the year went on.

Total Offense: 99th (383.8 YPG)
Rushing Offense: 89th (113.4 YPG)
Scoring Offense: 49th (25.8 PPG)

2007 (VT Finished ranked 9th in the AP) – We had 3 NFL WRs in their senior season (Clowney was gone) and still produced a putrid offense.

Total Offense: 102nd (351.6 YPG)
Rushing Offense: 83rd (133.0 YPG)
Scoring Offense: 54th (28.7 PPG)

2008 (VT Finished ranked 15th) – Horrible offense, but solid run game.

Total Offense: 103rd (335.1 YPG)
Rushing Offense: 35th (174.4 YPG)
Scoring Offense: 90th (22.1 PPG)

Don't understand if you were trying to help me out or not but your post actually showed exactly why I just don't see VT being a NC contender. No dis-respect meant but you guys are in the ACC not exactly the toughest conference and in all honesty it might be the 4th toughest.. SEC, Big 12, Big 10 and either ACC or Pac 10 (both usually have 1 good team) so to me it means you are not playing the tough games and should have alot better numbers by the years end.
No matter how the game turns out on Sept 5th it will not change my opinion on BAMA or VT, I think neither is ready for the NC although I feel we would be close if Andre had not of left for the NFL we could be very very close but with 3 OL to replace and other than JJ no WR to scare anyone ( if Maze keeps up his game I will change that) we have too many ??????
For VT I have seen Tyrod play and he will not win you a NC too many teams can stop the run and a running QB with no arm is not exactly a big threat. Guess we will see but no matter the outcome this game should be a lumber laying game and fun too watch~!~
 
Hey Freefall, why don't you give us a breakdown of Bryan Stinespring?:eek:

& do you honestly think he is going to out-scheme Saban's defense???
 
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I like how you conveniently left your passing yards per game off, so in the interest of full disclosure, please allow me to add them along with some commentary (note: calculated off the totals you provided):

2004 - 205.6 ypg
2005 - 207.6 ypg
2006 - 270.4 ypg (interestingly enough, this is the year, the much maligned by VT fans, Sean Glennon had the reins all to himself, including a 122 pass efficiency rating(per))
2007 - 218.6 ypg (Sean Glennon took about 2/3 of the snaps (137.6 per), Tyrod Taylor (119.7 per) played frequently)
2008 - 160.7 ypg (Tyrod Taylor (103.3 per) took about 2/3 of the snaps, with Sean Glennon (117.9 per) filling in when TT struggled or was injured)

Will the trend continue?
 
Thanks for this info. I'll say this: I'll never take VT and Coach Beamer lightly again like I did on that miserable night in Nashville a few years ago. However, I would also forewarn all VT fans that that Bama team couldn't carry the jock strap of this year's Bama team!!!

Should be a good game!!!
 
The only trend that I see is the running game numbers went up while the passing game went down and they have gotten worse year to year. This can be contributed to rotating QB's or being young but the odds are VT won't be exactly a high profile offense but their defense will be one of the best we see all year which with all of our ??? on offense leads to one hell of a game~!~
 
The only trend that I see is the running game numbers went up while the passing game went down and they have gotten worse year to year. This can be contributed to rotating QB's or being young but the odds are VT won't be exactly a high profile offense but their defense will be one of the best we see all year which with all of our ??? on offense leads to one hell of a game~!~

Actually, the trend I see is the more Tyrod is involved, the worse the passing game is and the more one dimensional they become.
 
Don't understand if you were trying to help me out or not but your post actually showed exactly why I just don't see VT being a NC contender. No dis-respect meant but you guys are in the ACC not exactly the toughest conference and in all honesty it might be the 4th toughest.. SEC, Big 12, Big 10 and either ACC or Pac 10 (both usually have 1 good team) so to me it means you are not playing the tough games and should have alot better numbers by the years end.
No matter how the game turns out on Sept 5th it will not change my opinion on BAMA or VT, I think neither is ready for the NC although I feel we would be close if Andre had not of left for the NFL we could be very very close but with 3 OL to replace and other than JJ no WR to scare anyone ( if Maze keeps up his game I will change that) we have too many ??????
For VT I have seen Tyrod play and he will not win you a NC too many teams can stop the run and a running QB with no arm is not exactly a big threat. Guess we will see but no matter the outcome this game should be a lumber laying game and fun too watch~!~

My intention was just informational, because we've not been ranked below 90th for 5 consecutive years. Don't get me wrong, I agree with your point; I think our offense is an abomination. However; it's probably best to measure VT's offense on running and scoring, because that's the essence of BeamerBall. He likes to control the clock, field position, keep games low scoring, and take advantage of the few opportunities we get.

I'm with you though in the thought that our offense needs to show more in order for us to have a shot at any MNC, and there are a lot of Hokies who are not overly optimistic going into 2009, because the offense has given us no reason to have any faith.

I'd also argue that the ACC, while not as top heavy as the SEC is deeper than the SEC. The ACC had a winning record against the SEC in the regular season last year, and was 6-6 after the bowls. After Bama and Florida, the next two best SEC teams lost to ACC teams (Ole Miss to Wake and UGA to GT). It's also a defensive league as evidenced by the total offenses in the ACC.

I grew up in the heart of SEC country, have been to 4 of the last 5 iron bowls, went to the SECCG last year (and in 1999), as well as the last 10 Peach Bowls. I've also read Rammer Jammer Yellow Hammer, so I'm very familiar with SEC Football. :)

All this said I think Bama is a horrible match-up for VT, due to y'alls great run defense, and VT's one dimensional offense. It'll be a close game, but I think Bama will win on a big special teams play or turnover.

Glad to be a guest here, and I can't wait for the game, I'll be sitting amongst Bama fans! :eek:
 
I like how you conveniently left your passing yards per game off, so in the interest of full disclosure, please allow me to add them along with some commentary (note: calculated off the totals you provided):

2004 - 205.6 ypg
2005 - 207.6 ypg
2006 - 270.4 ypg (interestingly enough, this is the year, the much maligned by VT fans, Sean Glennon had the reins all to himself, including a 122 pass efficiency rating(per))
2007 - 218.6 ypg (Sean Glennon took about 2/3 of the snaps (137.6 per), Tyrod Taylor (119.7 per) played frequently)
2008 - 160.7 ypg (Tyrod Taylor (103.3 per) took about 2/3 of the snaps, with Sean Glennon (117.9 per) filling in when TT struggled or was injured)

Will the trend continue?

I only left them off because VT only passes to keep defenses honest. Adding the passing statistics is similar to adding Texas Tech's rushing statistics if we were talking about their offense.

And fwiw; Glennon was horrible. 2006 was by far our worst offense since 1998. If you look at 2003, you'll see our highest rated offense, but there are a lot of VT fans who don't think that team had a good offense at all.

As far as Tyrod is concerned, it's hard to put traditional measurements on him because of his ability to make things happen with his legs.

Finally; as a guest of y'alls site, I'm not here to flame and get y'all fired up. Just here to have discussion about the upcoming game, and offer opinions from a VT perspective.
 
I'd also argue that the ACC, while not as top heavy as the SEC is deeper than the SEC. The ACC had a winning record against the SEC in the regular season last year, and was 6-6 after the bowls. After Bama and Florida, the next two best SEC teams lost to ACC teams (Ole Miss to Wake and UGA to GT). It's also a defensive league as evidenced by the total offenses in the ACC.

That was definitely a problem last year. The conference was very top heavy. Thankfully, Bama was in the right place...so it didn't bother us at all.

Another reason it was top heavy though...is because teams lost to Bama and Florida. Think of LSU. If they don't lose to Alabama and Florida...they are a 10 win team. Another team is Georgia...who lost to the same teams. Auburn and Tennessee not being in the picture either gave the impression that the SEC was down.

In the end though...we had the National Champion and some teams that look to be on the rise.

I just hope we put forth a good showing in Atlanta...which is all I wanted last year. So we'll see. I think if we play to the best of our ability...I think we are good enough to win.
 
"Solid presence in the middle." - I can only say that you may rethink the definition of that after this one.

I assume you're referring to my comment re: Thompson? Yeah, he's not as big or bad as T. Cody, but there's no shame in that. Cody's one of the best in the game right now, and barring injury should be an early first-round pick next spring. Thompson might not occupy space quite like Cody, but remember we run a 4-3, not a 3-4, so our needs are slightly different. Cody is a perfect fit for your system because he's the prototypical NT who occupies two guys and frees up the LBs to make plays. He's not just a "solid" presence in the middle, he's a game-changing presence in the middle.

It will be interesting to see how our coaches choose to handle that matchup. As rebelzed noted, our center is giving up close to 100lbs against Cody. Fortunately our guards are both pretty good, so Warren will get plenty of help.
 
DNo dis-respect meant but you guys are in the ACC not exactly the toughest conference and in all honesty it might be the 4th toughest.. SEC, Big 12, Big 10 and either ACC or Pac 10 (both usually have 1 good team) so to me it means you are not playing the tough games and should have alot better numbers by the years end.

You had me going for a minute there, at least until the "Big 10" part.

I posted some numbers in another thread a couple weeks ago. I won't argue your top two selections (SEC 1st, B12 2nd) but I'd definitely put the ACC 3rd, and not all that far behind the B12 either. Yes, the B12 had 7 teams finish in the top 30 in total offense, but they had none in the top 30 in total defense, and only one in the top 30 in scoring defense. Like many of you SEC fans, I'm a firm believer in the "defense wins championships" mantra, so I hold that against the B12. :)

IMO the B10 is a distant 4th, or maybe even 5th. Once you get past tOSU and PSU there isn't much there. Depending on USC's supporting cast from year to year, I think they alternate with the B10 for 4th place on the list.

But I'm sure there are enough other "which conference is best" threads, so I won't say anything more in this one.



For VT I have seen Tyrod play and he will not win you a NC too many teams can stop the run and a running QB with no arm is not exactly a big threat.
That I agree with. For VT to have any realistic shot in the national picture, Tyrod has to develop into an actual dual-threat QB, meaning he has to be as much of a threat through the air as he is on the ground.
 
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