What do you think about this LSU poster talking about the trial?

[TideFaninFl]

180335. Post from LSU forum...VERY interesting take...
by JimboFisher2, 6/26/05 22:18 ET
Do we really want this trial to go forward?
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First, I have no dog in this race, bama vs NCAA, so what I am about to tell is will shock many.

The NCAA did offer to settle this battle but TG did not feel this best for his cause. I have been told from my sources that the reason the NCAA wanted to settle this was that they felt it would harm bama and the whole NCAA football if the case ended up in court. Neverless TG wants the battle, the truth is that the NCAA is about to embarass a program that has played by their own rules for many years. I understand that many former bama players will be forced to tell the truth, if they don't then they can be charged with perjury. Several HS coaches have been questioned and from what I know this is a battle that will paint a very black picture about the past bama football is about to suffer a major defeat and blow. Sad, that this will come to the public, but some bama boosters are already in hiding."What goes around comes around" and bama is about to get their heads handed to them.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

I don't know...

about the settlement part. I sort of doubt it. However, one of my big concerns about this case all along has been former players being forced to take the stand...

 

[Alanbama27]

First of all, I'm am NOT a lawyer, but...there is NO WAY

that any former players can be forced to take the stand in this case because this CASE is about one thing and one thing only...the treatment of two coaches by the NCAA.

It is my belief that 99% of what Gallion wants to bring in will not be allowed and all of the crap with the NCAA will simply fade away. Gallion will win either a larger settlement from the NCAA or a jury judgement against the NCAA but this will have ZERO effect on the university or anyone associated with the University because the case doesn't involve the University.

Anything that a former player could say is heresay and irrevelant to this case and will NOT be allowed in to this trial because they don't have RELEVANT information concerning either coach or the ncaa's treatment thereof and if you ask BamaLaw I'm certain he'll agree with me on this!

 

[1BamaNita]

Sounds like wishful thinking to me. I don't trust many Bama fans who claim to have "sources" much less ones an LSU fan claims to have.

What, exactly, would former Bama players have to testify about in regards to the NCAA's defamation against Ronnie Cottrell, and Ivy Williamson? That's what this trial is supposed to be about, right? If the NCAA wants to start calling former Bama players to prove how these guys were allegedly cheating, then I would think that frees Gallion to throw in everything, and the kitchen sink, that he supposedly has about the NCAA's selective prosecution in regards to ut, and others. Not that he may not do it anyway.

As for settlement offers, didn't the NCAA publically deny that any had been made? I would like to ask the LSU fan why the NCAA would offer to settle if they felt they were right. He seems to imply the settlement offer was made to help Alabama, so they didn't have to bring out this other "info" they had. They certainly haven't shown in the recent past that they were inclined to do anything to make things easier for Alabama, so why now?

Sounds to me as though he believes Fulmer's list of all the players Bama supposedly bought out of Memphis, and that's what he's basing his post on.

You know, I'm really beginning to hate the rest of the SEC teams because of some of their fans.

 

[Bamadev]

well, this guy and whoever his "source" is are full of bull..... How can anyone be charged with perjury if they don't testify? LMAO!!!!! Sorry, that's a crock but it sure gave me a great laugh this morning!!!!!!!


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[trenda]

Anything that a former player could say is heresay and irrevelant to this case and will NOT be allowed in to this trial because they don't have RELEVANT information concerning either coach or the ncaa's treatment thereof and if you ask BamaLaw I'm certain he'll agree with me on this!

Bingo. Unless a former player has some sort of testimony that is able to refute Cottrell/Williams' claims of a conspiracy against them and defamation, I don't see where the attorneys for the defendents would even waste their time. All they have to do is prove that there was no conspiracy and that their clients did not defame the plaintiffs.

The University of Alabama is not on trial here. They've already been found guilty by the NCAA and served their time. The school even has a letter saying that no more charges would be forthcoming regarding this episode. What reason would there be for former players to testify in this trial?

And if former players were to testify, as stated previously, that would open the floodgates for Gallion to bring in a line of former players, from various schools, to make basically the same testimony.

RTR

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[TiderinMiss]

I'll say this...

Bama isn't 100% squeaky clean. We all know that.

But, fans from other SEC schools, save Vanderbilt, need to take that beam out of their own eye before they gloat over our sins.

It's stupid for fans of other SEC schools to enjoy what is happeneing to Bama, becausze, quite frankly, it could very well happen to them.

It's only a matter of time.

The NCAA doens't just hate Bama.

The NCAA hates the SEC.

I've said this all along. The NCAA found what they were looking for in Tennessee/Fulmer/Adams/Kramer, etc.

They wanted a weasel to do their dirty work. What better way to destroy a conference than to kill it's cash cow?

This is the EXACT same blueprint that the SWC followed back in the '80's.

You think this conference isn't immune to it, either?

Mull it over for a moment.

What schools have the NCAA placed on probation more than any other in the last 15 years?

That's right. The SEC.

We know that the Big 10 cheats, right? Maurice Clarrett/OSU. Michigan basketball. Etc.

So, for any other SEC fan lurking who thinks it's great for Bama to be going through what they're going through, just remember...

The NCAA doesn't just hate Bama. They hate the SEC as well.

...and, it could happen to you, too.


It's only a matter of time.

 

[IHateUT]

It's only a matter of time.

That's the phrase right there. It is most definitely "only a matter of time." Living down the road from Knoxville, you hear things from buddies that attend UT and you think to yourself "it's only a matter of time" before this common knowledge of these improprieties come to light. I'm not just picking on UT here...this, you know, is true among most SEC schools. And, as you said, the NCAA has it in for the SEC.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

I have to disagree...

mildly. This is a defamation suit, so there are two ways testimony of former players could be relevant. First is the defense of truth - he was guilty as charged. That will be interesting, since the NCAA went so far out of its way not to discipline him directly. (The strongest part of CRC's case was his "erroneous" inclusion on the NCAA's website). Second is the matter of damages - was he damaged by the NCAA's actions. Once again, if he were known to have paid players, then the NCAA could assert that he didn't have a reputation to damage. I don't think the testimony of players from other schools would be relevant. What would that have to do with CRC's reputation? I would caution that none of us know how former players would testify. I know enough to worry about it...

 

[Chukker Veteran]

If other boosters or former coaches have been paying our players, let's identify them and throw their sorry butts out of reach of the football team.

 

[formersoldier71]

I would caution that none of us know how former players would testify. I know enough to worry about it...

If you feel at liberty to elaborate, would the primary concern be from people that were mentioned in Fulmer's faxes? Or are there even more termites in the woodworks?

 

[Alanbama27]

Earle - I would think that the NCAA could not try to say

mildly. This is a defamation suit, so there are two ways testimony of former players could be relevant. First is the defense of truth - he was guilty as charged. That will be interesting, since the NCAA went so far out of its way not to discipline him directly. (The strongest part of CRC's case was his "erroneous" inclusion on the NCAA's website). Second is the matter of damages - was he damaged by the NCAA's actions. Once again, if he were known to have paid players, then the NCAA could assert that he didn't have a reputation to damage. I don't think the testimony of players from other schools would be relevant. What would that have to do with CRC's reputation? I would caution that none of us know how former players would testify. I know enough to worry about it...

that CRC paid players in the past because they admitted that they made a mistake and that he was not guilty of anything. Given their stance, it would seem to me to be quite impossible to alledge that he at any time in the past paid players because yet again...prior acts would seem inadmisable given their admitting a mistake in this case.

That's my completely lay opinion and I still contend that previous acts would be inadmissible in this particular case due to those reasons and that any testimony not DIRECTLY relating to this case would not be allowed in and his previous reputation was UNSCATHED by NCAA standards and that's the only standard that matters in this particular law suit. Had CRC had a bad reputation in the past, first the UofA never would have hired him and second, the NCAA would have known about it.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

I really can't say more...

probably said too much already. It does disturb me that so many of our fans assume there's nothing further to come out which would damage Bama further. BTW, "everybody else's doing it" is no defense, nor even relevant...

 

[WISHBONE67]

Hey Guys!! Vandy is as guilty as anyone. Have a cousin who works for one of the local Nasville banks. He has seen more Vandy basketball players come to work there than you care to count. It is weel known to the players that they have a place to go to after graduation. Tell me that isn't a recruiting tool.


ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Alanbama27]

Thanks Earle!

probably said too much already. It does disturb me that so many of our fans assume there's nothing further to come out which would damage Bama further. BTW, "everybody else's doing it" is no defense, nor even relevant...

I am not one of those fans that doesn't think we have our own skeletons, just one who doesn't see them coming out today or anytime in the near future.

Thanks again ~

Roll Tide!

 

[RamJam]

Well I know a couple of things here: First of all - Listen to Earle!

Secondly: All big-name athletic programs have had this stuff going on for YEARS - everyone knows that - but it took our "celeberity" status to have the focus put on us till one of ours was "caught". Taht's the part that makes ya really mad - because you know the "tattle-tails" only recognize it because they actively do it all the time & always have been too.

And LAST: I know that FSU wasn't exactly CRYING in their milk when we hired Cottrell...Kinda scarey...

 

[RTRinBR]

What do you think about this LSU poster talking about the trial?

I don't.......


RTR

 

[UA90]

"What goes around comes around" and bama is about to get their heads handed to them.

I believe Bama already has had their head handed to them.

 

[bat123]

I believe Bama already has had their head handed to them.

Along with our hineys.....NCAA pukes :mad2:

 

[Capstoner]

"I believe Bama already has had their head handed to them."

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Exactly, where has that guy been.... We can't be slammed much harder.