What does standing for the anthem and flag mean?
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Re: What does standing for the antehem and flag mean?
I agree that the original point of the protest has been lost to an extent but I think I disagree that this makes the protests ineffective. If you look back throughout history there are countless examples of black protesters being told they weren't doing it "the right way" or "at the right time." In fact there is a section of MLK's "Letter from Brimingham Jail"(see below) that calls out this exact criticism of protesters at the time. Further, we are at least having some discussion about it on Tidefans. Most of these conversations aren't productive but I have seen a few people on both sides trying at times. I am sure we are not the only ones doing this.
I think it is worth listening to those who are offended by the protest and those who support the protest should try to understand where they are coming from. I hope more people start to listen to those concerns. However, I also hope that those who are offended pause and ask themselves why someone would protest a symbol they hold so dear. If this symbol is so important to you don't you want to understand why someone would disrespect it?
The whole letter is here in case you want more context
First, I just want to say that I in no way shape or form think you are a robot because you served in the military. You are right that some people think that but that is mostly from a lack of exposure. Thankfully my fiancee's family is a big military family (her grandfather is a retired 4 star general). Plus I have a few close friends who served and their beliefs range from bleeding heart liberal to ultra conservative.
I agree that the original point of the protest has been lost to an extent but I think I disagree that this makes the protests ineffective. If you look back throughout history there are countless examples of black protesters being told they weren't doing it "the right way" or "at the right time." In fact there is a section of MLK's "Letter from Brimingham Jail"(see below) that calls out this exact criticism of protesters at the time. Further, we are at least having some discussion about it on Tidefans. Most of these conversations aren't productive but I have seen a few people on both sides trying at times. I am sure we are not the only ones doing this.
I think it is worth listening to those who are offended by the protest and those who support the protest should try to understand where they are coming from. I hope more people start to listen to those concerns. However, I also hope that those who are offended pause and ask themselves why someone would protest a symbol they hold so dear. If this symbol is so important to you don't you want to understand why someone would disrespect it?
The whole letter is here in case you want more context
Re: What does standing for the antehem and flag mean?
HTTR,
I get what your saying and agree with you somewhat, I just think the protest would be better served outside of a venue that most people use as a "getaway" from daily BS like politics. I also didn't mean you called me a robot for being in the military but some here tend to think that way, you can read it in their posts. By the way, you're going to have some lively discussions with your fiancee's family.:biggrin2:
HTTR,
I get what your saying and agree with you somewhat, I just think the protest would be better served outside of a venue that most people use as a "getaway" from daily BS like politics. I also didn't mean you called me a robot for being in the military but some here tend to think that way, you can read it in their posts. By the way, you're going to have some lively discussions with your fiancee's family.:biggrin2:
Re: What does standing for the antehem and flag mean?
That's right. You fail to see. It's ok.
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That's right. You fail to see. It's ok.
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Re: What does standing for the antehem and flag mean?
Seems that accusing a country of oppression means that one doesn't like the country and wishes for some other country. Oppression is a serious accusation. Kim Jong Un oppresses his people, Assad oppresses his people, etc. Colin might like the land, but he clearly hates the country and maybe even many of the people who live therein.
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Lest anyone confuse my "criticism" as not respecting Colin's right to speak, let me disabuse him of the presumption. Colin has every right to speak, and he has an equal right to suffer whatever consequences arise as a result.
Colin's own words convict him of his hatred for the country. No amount of revisionist spin or kneelsplaining can undo those words.
Lest anyone confuse my "criticism" as not respecting Colin's right to speak, let me disabuse him of the presumption. Colin has every right to speak, and he has an equal right to suffer whatever consequences arise as a result.
Re: What does standing for the antehem and flag mean?
you are so far down the rabbit hole it is ridiculous.
you are so far down the rabbit hole it is ridiculous.
Re: What does standing for the antehem and flag mean?
Ah grasshopper, now you appreciate the perspective that many have of Colin.
Re: What does standing for the antehem and flag mean?
Many people don't realize how generous Kaepernick has been to different charities since he turned pro. My guess is he's done more to help his fellow citizens than most anybody posting here. I think his history of giving illustrates his opinion of the country and fellow citizens in a very clear fashion.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...fl-owners-disgraceful-light-article-1.3436250
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...-by-players-union-for-charity-work/105645590/
https://www.sbnation.com/lookit/201...illion-dollar-pledge-charity-latest-donations
Many people don't realize how generous Kaepernick has been to different charities since he turned pro. My guess is he's done more to help his fellow citizens than most anybody posting here. I think his history of giving illustrates his opinion of the country and fellow citizens in a very clear fashion.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...fl-owners-disgraceful-light-article-1.3436250
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...-by-players-union-for-charity-work/105645590/
https://www.sbnation.com/lookit/201...illion-dollar-pledge-charity-latest-donations
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Re: What does standing for the antehem and flag mean?
Stop, Chukker, he's a monster.
Stop, Chukker, he's a monster.
Re: What does standing for the antehem and flag mean?
he obviously hates 'merka and 'merkins
he obviously hates 'merka and 'merkins
Re: What does standing for the antehem and flag mean?
What do you have against hair pieces
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkin
What do you have against hair pieces
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkin
Re: What does standing for the antehem and flag mean?
Just curious, but am I the only person that found while their goal is laudable, the name Gathering for Justice's War on Children to be really unfortunate.
And to be clear, the blue font means read the actual article and not what I typed.
OK from your link (using Maureen Dowd ellipses);
:eek2:
Just curious, but am I the only person that found while their goal is laudable, the name Gathering for Justice's War on Children to be really unfortunate.
And to be clear, the blue font means read the actual article and not what I typed.
Re: What does standing for the antehem and flag mean?
I'm beginning to care less and less about the future of our nation. Not sure when that happened. I think it's because I'm feeling pretty beat down with a constant negative vibe buzzing in my ear in every avenue where I used to find pleasure.
Tv, movies, sports, books, plays, music, heck even food and weather are not immune to the unrelenting beat down. I made a vow a few weeks ago to ignore it as much as I can.
Like any unhealthy addiction, I slip at times. But, I am going to fight through this disease. I will ignore what I can ignore. I will watch shows I trust, listen to tunes that make me happy, kiss my wife more, pray a little, and hug my kids and mom as much as they let me.
The rest of the world can eat themselves up with stress....but, I'm not going to let it make me miserable anymore.
They can kneel as much as they want to. Telling them they can't won't stress anyone but you.
And yes, give me all of the 66-3 games you like, I'll take em gladly
I'm beginning to care less and less about the future of our nation. Not sure when that happened. I think it's because I'm feeling pretty beat down with a constant negative vibe buzzing in my ear in every avenue where I used to find pleasure.
Tv, movies, sports, books, plays, music, heck even food and weather are not immune to the unrelenting beat down. I made a vow a few weeks ago to ignore it as much as I can.
Like any unhealthy addiction, I slip at times. But, I am going to fight through this disease. I will ignore what I can ignore. I will watch shows I trust, listen to tunes that make me happy, kiss my wife more, pray a little, and hug my kids and mom as much as they let me.
The rest of the world can eat themselves up with stress....but, I'm not going to let it make me miserable anymore.
They can kneel as much as they want to. Telling them they can't won't stress anyone but you.
And yes, give me all of the 66-3 games you like, I'll take em gladly
Re: What does standing for the antehem and flag mean?
Explain this
I have no issue with players kneeling for a cause they believe in. Personally I would like politics and sports be separated when the game is on, but its whatever. But my biggest issue with this whole movement is how committed and genuine is Colin in this. He has made some headlines that makes many believe this is more of a PR movement because he was benched.
Explain this
I have no issue with players kneeling for a cause they believe in. Personally I would like politics and sports be separated when the game is on, but its whatever. But my biggest issue with this whole movement is how committed and genuine is Colin in this. He has made some headlines that makes many believe this is more of a PR movement because he was benched.
Re: What does standing for the antehem and flag mean?
To the OP, I stand because I consider it an honor. I served for the same reason.
To the OP, I stand because I consider it an honor. I served for the same reason.
Re: What does standing for the antehem and flag mean?
To the OP, ask Mike Pence who uses the Flag as a political prop to try to rally the base and keep them looking away from the train wreck of incompetence that is the Trump administration
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...tional-anthem-vice-president-pence/744537001/
To the OP, ask Mike Pence who uses the Flag as a political prop to try to rally the base and keep them looking away from the train wreck of incompetence that is the Trump administration
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...tional-anthem-vice-president-pence/744537001/
Re: What does standing for the antehem and flag mean?
We all know that Trump likes his minions to all but worship him. Remember when each cabinet member had to brag on Trump and say how wonderful it is to serve with him? This guy Pence is nothing but a little lap dog for Trump. This stunt he did today was pathetic and an obvious order from Trump. What purpose did this serve other than to charge up his base? Mike Pence, we as individuals do not have to do what Trump wants us to! We have freedoms which allow us to not stand for the national anthem or to stand if you like! What about putting your hand on your heart? If someone doesn't do that, are they disrespecting the flag? See how silly this is?
We all know that Trump likes his minions to all but worship him. Remember when each cabinet member had to brag on Trump and say how wonderful it is to serve with him? This guy Pence is nothing but a little lap dog for Trump. This stunt he did today was pathetic and an obvious order from Trump. What purpose did this serve other than to charge up his base? Mike Pence, we as individuals do not have to do what Trump wants us to! We have freedoms which allow us to not stand for the national anthem or to stand if you like! What about putting your hand on your heart? If someone doesn't do that, are they disrespecting the flag? See how silly this is?
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