Which Team Or Teams Do Not Belong?

[selmaborntidefan]

boise will beat ped state and then lose the next game by 3 scores.

In all honesty, that's exactly what I predicted in my bracket.

James Franklin will find a way to lose this. He can't help it, it's who he is. Boise will puff their chests out about how "this proves we belong", and then we will watch Hitler invade Poland all over again when Georgia gets ahold of them.

 

[Power Eye]

at some point, head-to-head HAS to be the "first tiebreaker"

I'm not sure what relevance that has unless the final spot is down to two teams with equal resumes and they have a head-to-head result.

And you can actually tell me how this worked with the BCS?????

No, but the point isn't that the formula is posted on the ESPN website, but rather that it is determined in advance, meaning the computer formula, and the human element is removed. Completely? No, there has to be a starting point in terms of rankings, but let the committee handle the human rankings and the computer figure out the rest by factoring in SOS, game control, etc.

And how is this any different than the poll days?

I'm not saying it is different, but I don't really care about the poll days other than knowing I don't want to go back to that.

We have never not had a predetermined ranking system.

Not sure I understand this response, but we don't have a predetermined ranking system now.

So we had mammoth blowouts in the BCS, mammoth blowouts in the CFP, and mammoth blowouts in the 12-team. (Why in God's name does it count as evidence against one or two but not all three?)

Yes, we had blowouts in the BCS and 4 team CFP. There will always be blowouts no matter what format is used, but we went 4 for 4 this weekend. Not one game was competitive in the 2nd half. Could that be an unfortunate anomaly in the first year? Yes, but probably not. Though I think that also had to do with the ridiculous way first round byes are determined.

I'm not saying we just copy and past the actual BCS formula, but I do believe we need to use something that will at least mitigate the human factor.

 

[BamaBoySince89]

I'm not saying we just copy and past the actual BCS formula, but I do believe we need to use something that will at least mitigate the human factor.

A healthy mixture of human factors (without a seemly biased, misinformed, and double standard committee) and computers.

No system is/was perfect, but that doesn’t mean you can’t use common sense when it boils down to finding out who the contenders are from the pretenders.

This year there are only 3 true contenders IMO (Georgia, Oregon, Ohio St.) and ND would probably be 4. So why are we forced to validate teams we know have no shot? You could get those same lame duck matchups we had this weekend in the bowl games and not skip a beat. Replace ND and Ohio St with a Miami, Bama, Ole Miss, SC and there you have it

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Who belongs?

Georgia and Oregon

Ohio State is eliminated by virtue of losing to Oregon (and a second time)
Penn State is eliminated by virtue of losing to Oregon and Ohio State
Texas is eliminated in that they had two chances to beat UGA and couldn't

Literally only Georgia and Oregon belong.

 

[Redwood Forrest]

UPDATE using Massey computer. You will note there are no silly Boise or SMU in this ranking.

What DA came up with the pairings? It leads to blowouts! Blowouts are built in by having Group of Five teams in the playoff. Of course, that assumes the ranking are correct, which they are not. But if they were it would look like this. MASSEY computer ratings after Conference CG's.

BYE #1 Oregon. #2 Georgia. #3 Ohio St. #4. Notre Dame

#5 Texas vs #9 Mississippi. #6 Penn St vs #10 Indiana. #7 Alabama vs #11 South Carolina. #8 Tennessee vs #12 Arizona St.
You get the idea. There is no #5's playing #12's. This is the same seeding the US Chess Federation uses for tournaments. Many of them are MENSA members and I am certain they are smarter than our committee. The next round would be 1 vs 5, 2 vs 6, 3 vs 7, and 4 vs 8. Next 1 vs 3 and 2 vs 4. Then 1 vs 2.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

If folks are going to use the argument "blowouts prove a team shouldn't be in the playoff/it shouldn't be X teams," do blowouts in the poll years (1971, 1977, 1992, 1995, 1996), BCS (2001, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2012) and CFP (every year at least once) prove the wrong teams were selected and the playoff shouldn't be 2 or 4 teams?

I mean, if a 38-10 smashing of SMU by Penn State proves the Mustangs didn't belong, does a 38-6 obliteration of Alabama by Nebraska in the 1972 Orange Bowl prove Alabama "didn't belong"?

Or do blowouts only count when it's not a blue blood, draw, or team folks don't like?

 

[UAH]

If folks are going to use the argument "blowouts prove a team shouldn't be in the playoff/it shouldn't be X teams," do blowouts in the poll years (1971, 1977, 1992, 1995, 1996), BCS (2001, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2012) and CFP (every year at least once) prove the wrong teams were selected and the playoff shouldn't be 2 or 4 teams?

I mean, if a 38-10 smashing of SMU by Penn State proves the Mustangs didn't belong, does a 38-6 obliteration of Alabama by Nebraska in the 1972 Orange Bowl prove Alabama "didn't belong"?

Or do blowouts only count when it's not a blue blood, draw, or team folks don't like?

It proved at least that a team in the first year of being integrated couldn't compete with a fully integrated team with a number of future NFL players and a future Heismann winner in Johnney Rogers. It wasn't close and one has to wonder if CPB thought that his team belonged on the field that night with Nebraska. That probably changed recruiting at Alabama as much as Sam Cunningham and USC did.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

It proved at least that a team in the first year of being integrated couldn't compete with a fully integrated team with a number of future NFL players and a future Heismann winner in Johnney Rogers. It wasn't close and one has to wonder if CPB thought that his team belonged on the field that night with Nebraska. That probably changed recruiting at Alabama as much as Sam Cunningham and USC did.

Btw, I wouldn't argue Alabama "didn't belong" there, although to be honest, their selection was more out of necessity than "we think they're the best.

1) Nebraska - unbeaten conf champ
2) Alabama - unbeaten conf champ
3) Oklahoma - one loss, to Nebraska
4) Michigan - Big 10 champ, obligated to Rose Bowl (lost to Stanford)
5) Auburn - one loss, to Alabama
6) Georgia - one loss, to Auburn
7) Colorado - losses to Oklahoma and Nebraska

Unbeaten Toldeo was #14, but we knew better even then.

So in all honesty, Alabama was the only legit opponent for Nebraska.
The only other alternative would have been Michigan, who had a contract.

 

[PA Tide Fan]

If folks are going to use the argument "blowouts prove a team shouldn't be in the playoff/it shouldn't be X teams," do blowouts in the poll years (1971, 1977, 1992, 1995, 1996), BCS (2001, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2012) and CFP (every year at least once) prove the wrong teams were selected and the playoff shouldn't be 2 or 4 teams?

I mean, if a 38-10 smashing of SMU by Penn State proves the Mustangs didn't belong, does a 38-6 obliteration of Alabama by Nebraska in the 1972 Orange Bowl prove Alabama "didn't belong"?

Or do blowouts only count when it's not a blue blood, draw, or team folks don't like?

Regarding blowouts I'd say some are more significant than others. It really depends what kind of resume a team had prior to the blowout. Both SMU and Indiana this season were suspect choices going into the playoff because they had a weak resume, so the most likely reason for their blowout losses was that they just weren't that good and probably didn't belong. OTOH if there are a couple of teams playing each other with strong resumes and the result is a blowout then the most likely explanation is that either the losing team just played their worst game when nothing was clicking or the winning team just played their A+ game that day and nobody could have beaten them. There's a big game coming up with Oregon and Ohio State who both have strong resumes so if that game would result in a blowout I don't think anyone would say the losing team there didn't belong.

 

[The Ols]

College Football Playoff: Ranking the National Championship Odds for 8 remaining CFP teams

FanDuel Sportsbook updated its latest odds to win the College Football Playoff National Championship after first round games last weekend.

www.on3.com

It’s actually comical…

 

[GrayTide]

This iteration of Alabama was not very good. We lost to a vastly inferior Vanderbilt team because the team was totally unprepared for Vanderbilt's offense. We were lucky to hang on and beat USCe. We played a pretty good Missouri team whose starting QB left the game in the first quarter to injury, also its best RB did not play. We scored 3 freaking points against a 6-6 team that was probably the weakest team on our schedule outside of Western Kentucky and Mercer. We blew a 28 point halftime lead and hung on to the final play to beat UGA. I realize this was not a normal season due in part to the change in coaching, but overall this team was not CFP worthy.

 

[Redwood Forrest]

If folks are going to use the argument "blowouts prove a team shouldn't be in the playoff/it shouldn't be X teams," do blowouts in the poll years (1971, 1977, 1992, 1995, 1996), BCS (2001, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2012) and CFP (every year at least once) prove the wrong teams were selected and the playoff shouldn't be 2 or 4 teams?

I mean, if a 38-10 smashing of SMU by Penn State proves the Mustangs didn't belong, does a 38-6 obliteration of Alabama by Nebraska in the 1972 Orange Bowl prove Alabama "didn't belong"?

Or do blowouts only count when it's not a blue blood, draw, or team folks don't like?

I get your point, and my answer is blowouts do occur for various reasons. However, pairing Group of Fives with Power Fours is asking for blowouts, especially when championships are at stake and not just some meaningless bowl game.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

Weird fact:

State Penn is undefeated in the Fiesta Bowl, but so is Boise.

 

[PA Tide Fan]

College Football Playoff: Ranking the National Championship Odds for 8 remaining CFP teams

FanDuel Sportsbook updated its latest odds to win the College Football Playoff National Championship after first round games last weekend.

www.on3.com

It’s actually comical…

When 2 teams who received first round byes have the worst odds of winning the championship it's just more proof that the format is severely flawed.

 

[The Ols]

When 2 teams who received first round byes have the worst odds of winning the championship it's just more proof that the format is severely flawed.

…and not just the worst odds…like 10x…c’mon.