Who else noticed this on Germie Bernard's game winning score?

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I think we would have taken a couple of shots at getting either a TD or a shorter field goal.

I agree with you on all the things that could have gone wrong, though. Really a dumb move on their part.

Our chances of winning the game would still have been very high if they had pushed him out of bounds. But the chances of a mishap were real, so playing to stop the TD would have been their best option.

This is my take too.

I think it would have been a 70/30 or 80/20 chance we shank a FG and go to OT.

They had a better chance trying to stop us than giving up a TD and hoping for a miracle KR or Hail Mary.
 
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If he pushed him out it would have been at about the 12 yard line with over 30 seconds left. I think we would have run at least two plays and would have at least gotten the ball in the middle of the field and probably closer. It wasn’t going to be a PAT, but it wasnt going to be much over 20 yards at worst. I think we hit that. And we would have definitely had the game clock near 0.

Even so, I disagree with the strategy. As several folks have rightly pointed out, anything could happen there. Besides, there is just something about “let the other team score a touchdown” that is just antithetical.

Unless you have a big wager on the over, I guess.
 
Looking at the replay when the SC defender pulled up... Germie almost certainly would have bulled into him and gotten the first down... Guy pulls up at the 13 to 14 yard line, and we had a first at the 15.

Dumb idea by SC, but no good answers for them at that point.


Edit: I've just added Germie to my favorite Tide WRs... Dude has been a warrior for us all through last year's problems and I hope he makes bank next year in the NFL.
 
I'm quite surprised by a lot of the reactions here. Letting a team score late so that you can get the ball back isn't anything new in football.
It's not new, it's just really bad strategy unless the scoreline is just right. If we had been down by 4 or more then letting us score would have given them the ball back thru kickoff and they would have only needed a field goal to win. Us going up by more then a field goal made the let them score strategy be a bad choice.
 
It's not new, it's just really bad strategy unless the scoreline is just right. If we had been down by 4 or more then letting us score would have given them the ball back thru kickoff and they would have only needed a field goal to win. Us going up by more then a field goal made the let them score strategy be a bad choice.

What? If we were down by 4 or more they DEFINITELY wouldn't have let us score. They would have tried to stop us from scoring a TD.
 
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I don't see why people are getting so worked up by this. It's a fairly common late game strategy move to either let the opposing team score, or conversely to intentionally go down in the field of play.

I get that this was slightly different because it's a tie game, and Alabama's kicker isn't super accurate. However, Talty is 6-6 inside 40. You don't expect a miss there.

I think it was a mistake, I do. But I can see why a player or a head coach would make the call in that particular scenario. You stop Alabama there, Alabama is basically an extra point away from winning the game. Talty is 34-34 on extra points. It's kind of like if you go down in the field of play intentionally, not the call I'd make but there is some thought process behind it. This wasn't boneheaded, it was just a questionable strategic choice.
 
Is it possible that analytics influenced SC decision on that play?
I don't think it's terribly likely that they would have actually favored letting Alabama score a touchdown.

I don't know the exact odds, but a field goal attempt from that range should have been around 95%. That's a 1/20 that they miss. This without factoring in the odds of a bad snap/fumble/penalty. So the downside is Alabama almost certainly runs out the clock if you don't stop them in the field of play. The upside is you probably have about a 5-10% chance of stopping a score if you get him down in the field of play given all the variables.

On the other hand, 34 seconds, no time-outs, needing a touchdown to tie the game. I think that's a very low probability. For the record I decided to run this exact scenario through AI, which isn't perfect but is also similar to the way analytics would work. They came up with a 2% chance of success if South Carolina lets Alabama score, and when it used my estimate it was a 7.5% chance of success (5-10) if they tackled the Alabama player. When I made it come up with the own numbers, it was 8%.

So basically, you are four times more likely to succeed in that scenario if you don't let Alabama score. However, when you talk about the difference in 8% chance and 2% chance, I think a lot of humans are not likely to really grasp that difference as being as significant as it is. I don't see how any well calibrated analytic would say let Alabama score though, not with no timeouts.

If they had over a minute and timeouts, their odds of scoring a touchdown go up to about 15%,, then it becomes the right call. Alabama could have drained the time/timeouts with it being first and goal from the 5 and that is exactly the scenario where teams let them in the end zone, So, basically I think the player and/or coach could have misunderstood the analytics in this scenario.
 
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If so Beamer has some loose screws.

Did he not know our kicker is not entirely dependable from around 40 out??? Beamer not knowing special teams?

They gifted us that win by letting GB score.
He would have been down at the 10 somewhere, making it a chip shot field goal? I don't understand this 40+ yard field goal percentage argument
 
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