Who would you target as the next ND coach if you were Jack Swarbrick?

[Saban14]

Harbaugh or Paul Johnson would be my choices. Why? ND has very high academic standards for athletes. My two choices know how to win at schools with those standards. They also have proven track records, are solid recruiters, and have experience in the Mid-west.

 

[TIDEFAN17]

I would hound Urban Meyer till I was positive I had no chance of swaying him then go after Jim Harbaugh at Stanford. Stanford has similar academics to ND and ND needs to find someone who fits ND not just a hot football coach. My third choice would be Jim Kelly.

I dunno. They tried that with Willingham and canned him after 3 seasons. Though, if Harbaugh is offered, only take the job if there is a huge buyout clause. :biggrin2:

 

[bamadp]

why does CNS need more money?
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I think you hit nail on the head. At this time of their coaching careers, to coaches such as CNS and CUM, money is far down on the list of priorities. both are financially set the rest of their lives. I think the mrs. has a lot of say in what goes on. You look at things a lot differently when you're 60 than you did when you were 30.

If CUM goes to ND, it won't be because of money.

 

[JeffAtlanta]

No coach, not even Stoops, Saban or Carroll could consistently win at ND with their admission standards for athletes being what they are.

Holtz was able to do it because he was allowed 2 exceptions each year - Tony Rice was one of these. Subsequent coaches have not had these exceptions.

Coaches realize this and no top name coach that already has a great gig is going to go there unless those admission standards are brought more in line with the rest of major players.

If those standards are altered then ND could hire a great coach and with ND's built-in recruiting ability, they would make USC's talent dominance of the last few years look silly in comparison.

 

[tidefan39817]

well, i'm not the Notre Dame AD...so i say they should put the full court press on Ron Zook.....

i don't care if Notre Dame is ever better than 6-6. heck 0fer every year would suit me just fine.

 

[BamaFlum]

Isn't Coach Fran still around?

 

[TD4Bama]

Here is the entire New (old) coaching staff for ND.

Head Coach - Bobby Bowden - he could leave FSU for this Great, Awesome job.

Offensive Coordinator - Terry Bowden - he could leave UNA for the same as reason as Diddy.

Defensive Coordinator - Tommy Bowden - he needs a job and this is great Awesome Job.

Strength and Conditioning Coach - Lou Holtz - he could hang up the mic and comeback.

Head of Football operations - Coach Fran - he needs a job.

This would be the coaching staff for ND!

 

[TidePrideGA]

I have a feeling that Kelly will be offered and will accept the job. I think Meyer would be a fool to leave UF, but you never know.

 

[Crimson Cat]

I have a question slightly off topic but ND related, particularly as its affected by who gets the job at ND.
Its been mentioned there's a strong possiblity Clausen & Tate leave for the NFL early. Dayne Crist is the next in line at qb. What type of qb is he and how would the current players fit into the system should, say Urban Meyer be hired? My point being, much of the talent they have there is geared towards a West Coast/Pro style offense.
Imho, a Kelly or a Harbaugh could do a lot with the talent already on hand, whereas Meyer would need different types of players at the skill positions to win. I'm aware that Meyer won a championship at UF with Leak at qb, but we also know he's not Meyers prototypical qb for his spread offense + the talent level was insane when he took the job at UF, thanks to Zook.
Not so much at ND.

 

[HoosierTide]

I have a question slightly off topic but ND related, particularly as its affected by who gets the job at ND.
Its been mentioned there's a strong possiblity Clausen & Tate leave for the NFL early. Dayne Crist is the next in line at qb. What type of qb is he and how would the current players fit into the system should, say Urban Meyer be hired? My point being, much of the talent they have there is geared towards a West Coast/Pro style offense.
Imho, a Kelly or a Harbaugh could do a lot with the talent already on hand, whereas Meyer would need different types of players at the skill positions to win. I'm aware that Meyer won a championship at UF with Leak at qb, but we also know he's not Meyers prototypical qb for his spread offense + the talent level was insane when he took the job at UF, thanks to Zook.
Not so much at ND.

This isn't actually true. I think it would surprise you just how much talent is sitting around in South Bend, waiting to be utilized by a decent coach. Here are the Rivals team rankings for ND's last few classes:

2006 - 8th
2007 - 8th
2008 - 2nd
2009 - 21st
2010 - Currently 11th

Even the relatively low ranked 2009 class isn't that bad. That class actually has the 12th highest average star rating, they just only have 18 kids in the class. But at Notre Dame this is less of an issue than at most places because they typically have 0% academic attrition. Dayne Crist was the #2 ranked QB in his class coming out of high school. He is described as a "Pro-Style" quarterback, but he would actually be somewhat adaptable to the spread. He runs a respectable 4.65 40 and rushed for nearly 500 yards his senior year of high school. So, whoever the next coach is will not be able to blame bad recruiting for anything.

 

[p'colabamaman]

IMO, their choices should be

1. Tubberville
2. Fulmer
3. Croom

 

[RedStar]

I'd have to try and go homerun. Jim Harbaugh would top my list.

I'd have to strike out on a lot of big names before I started going after the Kelly's and the Patterson's of the world. I think they're good coaches, but I can think of 10-15 who are better. Not all of them are available, but I'd at least have to give it a shot.

To me Brian Kelly is just a skinnier version of Charlie Weiss. Great offense, NO defense.

 

[bamabryan]

I'd have to try and go homerun. Jim Harbaugh would top my list.

I'd have to strike out on a lot of big names before I started going after the Kelly's and the Patterson's of the world. I think they're good coaches, but I can think of 10-15 who are better. Not all of them are available, but I'd at least have to give it a shot.

To me Brian Kelly is just a skinnier version of Charlie Weiss. Great offense, NO defense.

I don't see how Harbaugh is any better than Kelly. :smile:

I like what Harbaugh has done in his coaching career and I think he's a very good coach, but I certainly like what Kelly has done too. I don't think Harbaugh's defenses are going to be confused with SEC caliber defenses by any means. :smile:

I think Kelly will do a great job at ND, so much so that I hope he does not get the job. :smile:

 

[BamaBoy3684]

After I gave the obligatory calls to Saban, Meyer and Carroll in that order I would then target Brian Kelly, period. He is the best coach out there. ANYBODY who can have back to back 10 win seasons at Cincinnati is a heck of a coach in my mind.

 

[RedStar]

I don't see how Harbaugh is any better than Kelly. :smile:

I like what Harbaugh has done in his coaching career and I think he's a very good coach, but I certainly like what Kelly has done too. I don't think Harbaugh's defenses are going to be confused with SEC caliber defenses by any means. :smile:

I think Kelly will do a great job at ND, so much so that I hope he does not get the job. :smile:

What Harbaugh did at San Diego with non-scholarship players is what amazed me the most. I'm not sure there's a coach in the country who gets more effort out of his players. He's a QB guru, I'd put him as one of the top 2-3 QB coaches in college football.

But, he does play with a Pac-10 defense. They've shown flashes of capability, but nothing overly special. If they go after Harbaugh, they'll need him to hire a top-notch Defensive Coordinator.

 

[jthomas666]

They're going to go for as close to a sure thing as then can manage--much as we did with Coach Saban. They can't afford not to. If this next hire doesn't work, then they will be looking for yet another coach around 2015--which is when their TV deal with NBC expires. That would not be good for their bargaining position.

Jim Harbaugh has done great things at Stanford, but still, his best season is 8-4. I'm not sure they'd go that route.

There is speculation that they have already made back-channel contact with Bob Stoops. I'm kind of skeptical, unless Stoops is just burned out of the Big 12.

If they really want Urban, then they need to wait and encourage some other school to hire Charlie Strong as HC, 'cause I don't think Meyer would be so keen to stay in Gainesville after losing Tebow and Strong.

Perhaps the real question is, how much of a PR hit is ND willing to take to get Stoops or Meyer? Look at the crap we took for giving CNS ~$4million--if ND gets Stoops or Meyer, it will probably cost them $5-6 million.

If they don't get either of those two, Kelly or Patterson seem the next logical choices.

 

[GulfCoastTider]

What Harbaugh did at San Diego with non-scholarship players is what amazed me the most. I'm not sure there's a coach in the country who gets more effort out of his players. He's a QB guru, I'd put him as one of the top 2-3 QB coaches in college football.

But, he does play with a Pac-10 defense. They've shown flashes of capability, but nothing overly special. If they go after Harbaugh, they'll need him to hire a top-notch Defensive Coordinator.

Harbaugh must be the guy they go after, then. With a PAC-10 offense they'd be a consensus Top 5 pick every preseason, then drop one or three games a year and be in the "BCS mix" chatter every November.

 

[GrayTide]

Of course timing is a big issue with most coaches, especially with Meyer and other coaches whose teams are bowl bound. At the risk of sounding like old dabaxter, but a winning coach should be able to win at any level. Paul Johnson won several NCs at Ga Southern, had great success at Navy and has really turned the fortunes of Ga Tech around in only 2 years.

Brian Kelly has pretty the same history as Johnson, several NCs at a lower level, good success at Central Michingan, and has now won 30+ games in 3 years at Cincinnati and probably headed to his second BCS bowl in 2 years.
Quite frankly looking at ND's schedule year in and year out, with the possible exception of USC, it is not really any more difficult than Cincinnati's. Outside of Meyer, IMO Kelly is the front runner.

 

[Alasippi]

Rich Rodriguez.....

No, if I was Notre Dame I'd think of the following names..

(1) Urban Meyer- Because he'd take the job. He knows the Tebow era is about to end. He knows Saban is going to eventually dominate the conference.
He doesn't have anything left to prove if this season plays out the way he hopes and Florida wins another national title. He'd be ripe for the picking. Plus he calls it his dream job.

(2) Frank Beamer- He has proven that he can build a program and sustain it in a place where recruiting four and five star athletes is not an easy thing to do. Plus, he's so focused on what he wants to accomplish that I don't think he'd let outside pressure and expectations bother him. It would be the only job in America that he'd probably accept and leave Va. tech.

(3) Mike Riley- Has taken an absolute nothing program and built it into a consistent winner. He has great pedigree and work ethic and has proven himself in a place where no one else ever did.

Why no Saban?? Cause he has the best job in America with the most job security. Plus he knows he's on the verge of something huge if recruiting keeps moving in a positive direction.

just my opinion

sip

 

[Crimson Cat]

Of course timing is a big issue with most coaches, especially with Meyer and other coaches whose teams are bowl bound. At the risk of sounding like old dabaxter, but a winning coach should be able to win at any level. Paul Johnson won several NCs at Ga Southern, had great success at Navy and has really turned the fortunes of Ga Tech around in only 2 years.

Brian Kelly has pretty the same history as Johnson, several NCs at a lower level, good success at Central Michingan, and has now won 30+ games in 3 years at Cincinnati and probably headed to his second BCS bowl in 2 years.
Quite frankly looking at ND's schedule year in and year out, with the possible exception of USC, it is not really any more difficult than Cincinnati's. Outside of Meyer, IMO Kelly is the front runner.

I agree. Paul Johnson would be a good hire too.

Meyer would be a slam-dunk hire, fireworks in the sky hire - kinda like BAMA/Saban.
Kelly would be a sexy hire -(not literally- just the hot name right now)
Stoops- big name, but the luster is fading

Solid hire but not much splash:
Patterson
Johnson
Harbaugh