IF CNS is going back to a run first, run second and probably third call, then we would already know that starting QB is Milroe.
Who’s leading QB1 race in FALL practice?
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I don't want to take this way off course of this thread, but while I do understand what you're saying, I also think it speaks to how spoiled of a fanbase we have become. I've grown to like T Bob Hebert more, even though he relishes in being an Alabama troll. He made a comment a few years ago that made me angry at first, but I've grown to understand. It was something along the lines of how as a fanbase we have no joy in winning, we are just relieved when we do.
I get what your saying but No this is different. I can go back and watch 2013 and 2014. I can find thing to like about 2010 and other years we didn't get it done. This is different. The last two years were sloppy, soft, penalty prone team that constantly has gone 3 and out. No ability to run the ball when it mattered and got pushed around. Its just not alabama football.
I find T-Bob Hebert more tolerable than his co host Aaron "I huff paint" Murray. Murray comes across as way more bitter about what happened in his playing days than T-Bob Hebert. If you think alabamia is going 10-2 this year. Cool. That could really happen if things don't break our way. But to say Alabama's CEILING is 10-2 is just completely ignorant. And to say that Auburn has a brighter future than Bama because they got Hugh freeze. Auburn, Who basically has had every single coach resign in disgrace or get fired in the last 30 years and has never had any real sustained success outside of maybe the 80's??
Murray comes across like a guy who's bitter that he could never actually win the big one. And deep down he knows he is going to be remembered as the guy who quinton dialed bodied and the guy that looked gob smacked when 2nd and 26 happened.
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Greg McElroy updates Alabama QB race, says Dylan Lonergan could eventually contribute
The analyst shared the information he gathered at a recent Crimson Tide practice.
www.saturdaydownsouth.com
Not at all.
- The gap between Milroe and Simpson as runners is not a chasm.
- The threat of the pass is necessary to sustaining drives against teams with similar talent. NFL stats indicate the most successful 3-play combinations to getting a first down all involve passing on one the first two downs.
Exactly. You don’t have to have a great passer to run a ground-oriented offense. You must have the credible threat of the pass.
If the D knows you can’t pass effectively, the safeties cheat up and before you know it, you’re running against a 9-man box — really tough sledding.
Which is why I think MTSU and UTw will stack the line and dare us to pass. It’ll be up to the QB, whoever he is, to make them back off. Whether he can do that is another question altogether.
I know Simpson can run but I'm not convinced he's on the same tier as Milroe as a runner.
You definitely need the threat of a passing game though especially against teams like Georgia and probably A&M.
I think this season will be similar to 2016 when Jalen Hurts was a true freshman and had a lot of growing ahead of him. I don't know who will be the starting QB, but whoever it is will not be what we have come to expect over the last few years. The team is going to lean hard on the running game and the defense and there won't be as much pressure on the QB, whoever that is.
I would be down for that as long as it has a better ending. People forget we blew out everyone except ole miss during the regular season that year.
That last game broke my heart. The offense did well until they faced a defense that had similar talent. Then the offense couldn't move the ball to save their lives. I expect the passing game to struggle early on and continue to improve over the course of the season. We are all going to be thinking about UGA all season and how the passing game will fare against them when the time comes.
He's not, nor is anyone saying he is, but the Milroe running advantage is not so large as to negate a deficiency (if there is one) in his passing and leadership skills versus the other contenders'.
I assume there's a QB threshold for each skill - running, passing, decision making, and leadership. If you're above the threshold in any of them, but below in one or more of the others, adding more skill there rather than in the other areas will land you on the bench if other guys also above that threshold do better in the other areas.
We have at least three QBs - maybe 5 - above what I would consider the running threshold...
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An REC friend of mine going to the scrimmage Saturday and told him I wanted a report. I will let you all know what he reports. Still lots of camp remaining before final decisions are made.
I am so ready for the season. 14 days. Yeah I know there are still 9 hours left in this one. I am still saying 14 days.
sure, and there is likely a weighting to those skills also, and realistically being the level of elite runner that Milroe is just isn't that important as a QB and you're right - all the guys we have are pretty much functional enough as runners. Think about it, that only really matters with things go wrong, unless we were to change to a QB RPO based offense.
Things more important:
Passing; with dimensions for accuracy, arm strength, touch and consistency
Timing and anticipation (hitting routes/receivers on time)
All the stuff the S2 test evaluates
- Visual processing - Ability to see most of, or the entire field and processing all of that motion in front of them
- Eye discipline - where should I be looking and what are the things I am looking for to make a decision
- Processing speed - making that decision based on visual inputs.
For sure. I think basically everyone would agree those are more important. But I think we're getting to the point where it's unclear that Simpson or Buchner are all that far ahead of Milroe on those things.
Now maybe tomorrow we hear some stuff that changes all of this though.
This is where I disagree a bit. I have no idea where our QBs stand in the other areas you mentioned, and I agree that there is a minimal threshold to meet in each category in order to be a starting QB for Alabama. However, and perhaps I'm misunderstanding you, I think there is a very large gap between Milroe and the rest of the group in terms of running ability. While I think they might all have ability in this area, I don't think it can be dismissed how much more Milroe's ability is greater than the rest and the added dimension that provides. Milroe can legitimately run away from DBs. Buchner is probably the 2nd best runner, but I don't think he's close to the homerun ability that Milroe provides.
You are correct that Milroe's running can't negate a deficiency in passing, decision making, ball security, but I have no clue where each of the QBs stack up against one another in those other areas. I'm just saying this is a strength Milroe has that I don't think should just be treated as equal to the others.
Milroe starts vs MTSU
Ty plays a lot
Bama rolls
Milroe starts vs UT
Milroe has 2 TOs
Ty replaces
Bama rolls
Ty starts game 3 and struggles
Milroe comes in
Bama rolls
Ty plays a lot
Bama rolls
Milroe starts vs UT
Milroe has 2 TOs
Ty replaces
Bama rolls
Ty starts game 3 and struggles
Milroe comes in
Bama rolls
I really hope this doesn't happen lol.Milroe starts vs MTSU
Ty plays a lot
Bama rolls
Milroe starts vs UT
Milroe has 2 TOs
Ty replaces
Bama rolls
Ty starts game 3 and struggles
Milroe comes in
Bama rolls
And Buchner is just standing on the sideline holding a clipboard while questioning his life choicesMilroe starts vs MTSU
Ty plays a lot
Bama rolls
Milroe starts vs UT
Milroe has 2 TOs
Ty replaces
Bama rolls
Ty starts game 3 and struggles
Milroe comes in
Bama rolls
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