Link: Mark Gottfried Hired as NC State Mens Basketball Coach

[bamacon]

not sure if you are serious or if you hold a personal grudge. being a horrible game coach doesnt mean you dont know the game. He knows the game well. he just wasnt good at putting what he knew into a game plan on game day. dont forgot that season we made the NCAA run. it wasnt all on coach but it wasnt luck either.

No grudge at all, simply stating fact. I said "in game" as in after the game had started. I can't remember a MG led team that was down 10 at the half and came back. No adjustments were ever made once the game started. If plan A wasn't working...oh well. They often ran no set offense. They played streetball instead. Let's not forget the time where they got to #1 in the polls and didn't make the NCAA tournament. Guess that wasn't a fluke either. Great recruiter and his players graduated but that's about it.

 

[redspider]

CMG could recruit as long as he had Coach Robert Scott or Coach Orlando Earley(sp). After they left down went the ship.
The trip to the elite 8 was good but we had an easy draw. We all saw what happened when he got hold of a real team &
coach. We should have canned him 2 years earlier. Maybe we could have kept more of the in state kids at home.

 

[RTR91]

CMG could recruit as long as he had Coach Robert Scott or Coach Orlando Earley(sp). After they left down went the ship.
The trip to the elite 8 was good but we had an easy draw. We all saw what happened when he got hold of a real team &
coach. We should have canned him 2 years earlier. Maybe we could have kept more of the in state kids at home.

Well good thing for him then that he has Orlando back.

 

[TideAlum]

And those players had the publicity coming out of high school. He didn't develop players. That's my point.

And you've missed my point. Many "NBA caliber" players are at that level straight out of high school. College isn't where they develop. It's where they briefly stop to showcase their talents. You don't find many NBA players who were just good high school players that blossomed under the guidance of a college coach for 4 years.

I think judging whether or not a player "developed" in college based on their NBA careers is a mistake. It's much better to judge their development throughout their college career alone. By using the "progression during college" standard, Gottfried did not do well.

 

[TideAlum]

The trip to the elite 8 was good but we had an easy draw. We all saw what happened when he got hold of a real team &
coach.

You serious, Clark? That Elite 8 team beat #1 seed, 30-1 Stanford in the 2nd round. In the Sweet 16, they dismantled Syracuse coached by Hall of Famer Jim Boeheim. They got knocked out of the tourney in the Elite 8 by a fantastic Connecticut team that went on to win the National Championship.

There's no need to practice revisionist history in order to discredit Gottfried. There's plenty of other factors that could be discussed related to his coaching ability...or lack thereof.

 

[GreatMarch]

No grudge at all, simply stating fact. I said "in game" as in after the game had started. I can't remember a MG led team that was down 10 at the half and came back. No adjustments were ever made once the game started. If plan A wasn't working...oh well. They often ran no set offense. They played streetball instead. Let's not forget the time where they got to #1 in the polls and didn't make the NCAA tournament. Guess that wasn't a fluke either. Great recruiter and his players graduated but that's about it.

I pretty much agree with your assesment of CMG but the year we were #1 we made the tourney and lost to Indiana in the 1st round in Boston. I do not know how we made the tourney but we did. That may have been CMG last trip to the tourney as well.
I will never forget Earle (I believe it was Earle) bemoaning the fact that CMG had a 5 foot 10 guard inbounding the ball against a 6 foot 9 forward against a press in a game against UT. It was those types of in game decisions that would give me a migrane. I wish CMG the best but he was not great at development nor in game adjustments. If CMG took some real beatings on the road at Tad Smith Col wait till he gets to Dean Smith Ctr.

 

[CrimsonEyeshade]

How many times did we play a pivotal game on the road and lose by 25? Just a strange and ultimately disappointing era.

 

[day-day]

He's basically the same player . . . except he can actually shoot a jump shot from time to time, which he developed after finally getting a chance to play in Charlotte. Gerald busted his hump at Alabama. True, he wanted to play the 3. But he played hard and did everything the coaches wanted. Rod loafed, ignored any semblance of an offense that didn't put the ball in his hand and couldn't/wouldn't guard his shoe laces.

Something in that year made it personal for Wallace. He doesn't even mention Alabama, listing Childersburg High as his alma mater in his program bio. His animus seems way beyond a disagreement with the coaches on where he should be playing. (Ironically, injuries and a thin bench regularly put him at power forward for the Bobcats.)

Being able to shoot a jumpshot and not being able to is a big difference.

I remember Wallace saying he should be playing the 3. I didn't believe he was saying it as a complaint and thought that he was just stating reality and implied that he understood why he was playing the 4.

I hope Gottfried does well at NCSU. He may have renewed energy as well as more wisdom coming from his experiences over the past several years.

 

[redspider]

Yeah Clark I am serious. If Pettway doesn't make a luck shot in the SIU 1st game. It's One & Done as per usual. That 'cuse team was
coming off championship but mg could won one with Anthony. KW & J-F got hot in the last 7 minutes & Stanford gagged. Let's call it a
lucky team that won in spite of its coach.

 

[CrimsonEyeshade]

Being able to shoot a jumpshot and not being able to is a big difference.

I remember Wallace saying he should be playing the 3. I didn't believe he was saying it as a complaint and thought that he was just stating reality and implied that he understood why he was playing the 4.

I hope Gottfried does well at NCSU. He may have renewed energy as well as more wisdom coming from his experiences over the past several years.

Gotcha. My point, after watching him in Charlotte for the length of his stay here, is that GW is still a mediocre shooter, who makes his NBA millions because, while physically gifted, he plays harder than anybody else. Despite his stature coming out of high school, he played harder for us too.

Maybe y'all are right -- that it just came down to a player thinking he was used incorrectly for a year -- but all this time later Gerald still acts wounded by the experience. Makes me wonder if there's something more to it.

 

[bamacon]

Your right. They got in with a 7-9 record and didn't belong. I think it was the last trip too.

 

[Cr1msoN4life]

I must say WE miss and appreciate coach Mark gottfried ,, he was the 3rd winningest coach of all time at bama,and only failed to pass cm newton(maybe it was wimp) by 1 game I think,,,,,,,Because he resigned out of respect for our program.. You people that mock his approach, and ridicule his future, only show your true basketball ignorance.
Coach MG is one hell of a coach.
If rod grizzard, gerald wallace ,antonio mcdyess, kennedy winston,richard hendrix,mo williams, had stuck around, (like most should have), or r steele had any heart, he'd faired much much better...Do I believe it was time for a change ,,,YES,,,
I also respect and appreciate everything coach MG accomplished here as well....GOOD LUCK COACH MG

 

[Ldlane]

I must say WE miss and appreciate coach Mark gottfried ,, he was the 3rd winningest coach of all time at bama,and only failed to pass cm newton(maybe it was wimp) by 1 game I think,,,,,,,Because he resigned out of respect for our program.. You people that mock his approach, and ridicule his future, only show your true basketball ignorance.
Coach MG is one hell of a coach.
If rod grizzard, gerald wallace ,antonio mcdyess, kennedy winston,richard hendrix,mo williams, had stuck around, (like most should have), or r steele had any heart, he'd faired much much better...Do I believe it was time for a change ,,,YES,,,
I also respect and appreciate everything coach MG accomplished here as well....GOOD LUCK COACH MG

Antonio Mcdyess left in 1995. CMG resigned because no one likes to be "fired"!

 

[WMack4Bama]

I appreciate your approach. I liked Coach and want to see him do well. As has been said, McDyess played for David Hobbs (Gottfried's predecessor). Also, Ronald Steele is the best pure point guard I've ever seen in person. He's the closest thing I've seen to Jason Kidd. Injuries like the one he sustained can be very VERY tricky. That kid should be playing in the NBA right now. But I think his injury was mishandled. Maybe by the training staff. Maybe by the coaching staff. And quite possibly by himself. But it was definitely mishandled. On the point of players staying for all 4 years, Roy Williams, Mike Kyseiehadihgizigahaihu, Jim Boheim, Jim Calhoun, John Calipari, Rick Pitino, Billy Donovan, Tom Izzo, and guys of that ilk lose underclassmen to the NBA every year, but they still somehow seem to find themselves deep in the tournament more times than not. Since the NBA decided that a kid had to come to college for at least a year, that's pretty much been the landscape of college basketball. So it is what it is.

I must say WE miss and appreciate coach Mark gottfried ,, he was the 3rd winningest coach of all time at bama,and only failed to pass cm newton(maybe it was wimp) by 1 game I think,,,,,,,Because he resigned out of respect for our program.. You people that mock his approach, and ridicule his future, only show your true basketball ignorance.
Coach MG is one hell of a coach.
If rod grizzard, gerald wallace ,antonio mcdyess, kennedy winston,richard hendrix,mo williams, had stuck around, (like most should have), or r steele had any heart, he'd faired much much better...Do I believe it was time for a change ,,,YES,,,
I also respect and appreciate everything coach MG accomplished here as well....GOOD LUCK COACH MG

 

[pvilleguru]

I must say WE miss and appreciate coach Mark gottfried ,, he was the 3rd winningest coach of all time at bama,and only failed to pass cm newton(maybe it was wimp) by 1 game I think,,,,,,,Because he resigned out of respect for our program.. You people that mock his approach, and ridicule his future, only show your true basketball ignorance.
Coach MG is one hell of a coach.
If rod grizzard, gerald wallace ,antonio mcdyess, kennedy winston,richard hendrix,mo williams, had stuck around, (like most should have), or r steele had any heart, he'd faired much much better...Do I believe it was time for a change ,,,YES,,,
I also respect and appreciate everything coach MG accomplished here as well....GOOD LUCK COACH MG

Gottfried was a terrible coach.

 

[RTR91]

And you've missed my point. Many "NBA caliber" players are at that level straight out of high school. College isn't where they develop. It's where they briefly stop to showcase their talents. You don't find many NBA players who were just good high school players that blossomed under the guidance of a college coach for 4 years.

I think judging whether or not a player "developed" in college based on their NBA careers is a mistake. It's much better to judge their development throughout their college career alone. By using the "progression during college" standard, Gottfried did not do well.

Kevin Durant and Derrick Rose are two examples of my point. They played well their first few years in the NBA. Rose would be a senior this year. How well is he doing in the NBA? Look at Durant's career. After 3 years in the NBA, he showed a great deal of improvement over the first few years.

 

[TideAlum]

Kevin Durant and Derrick Rose are two examples of my point. They played well their first few years in the NBA. Rose would be a senior this year. How well is he doing in the NBA? Look at Durant's career. After 3 years in the NBA, he showed a great deal of improvement over the first few years.

I mean this in the nicest way possible: I don't understand your point at all. In trying to showcase that Gottfried didn't develop players, you point to NBA careers of guys who played 1 year of college basketball? Rick Barnes and John Calipairi are not responsible for the NBA success of Durant and Rose.

If you're trying to suggest that Durant and Rose would be phenomenal college players if they stayed for 4 years, well duh. They were phenomenal before they got to college. Phenomenal when they played 1 season in college, and have had phenomenal success in the NBA. The key component to their excellence isn't the "development" they received from a college coach. They were both ready for the NBA in high school, but they HAD to go to college for 1 year. Their college "careers" were mandatory 1 year showcases.

 

[TideAlum]

Yeah Clark I am serious. If Pettway doesn't make a luck shot in the SIU 1st game. It's One & Done as per usual. That 'cuse team was
coming off championship but mg could won one with Anthony. KW & J-F got hot in the last 7 minutes & Stanford gagged. Let's call it a
lucky team that won in spite of its coach.

Keep beating that drum. I didn't know game winning shots were now discounted. I'll only value blowout victories from now on.

By the way, who is J-F? No one with those initials played on the Elite 8 team.

Let's call it what it is...crushing Gottfried is an enjoyable sport for some of our fans. They'll even rewrite history to try to support their efforts.

 

[WMack4Bama]

We seriously do encourage people not to hold back. So..please..tell us how you REALLY feel. LOL

Gottfried was a terrible coach.

 

[BamaMTA06]

And you've missed my point. Many "NBA caliber" players are at that level straight out of high school. College isn't where they develop. It's where they briefly stop to showcase their talents. You don't find many NBA players who were just good high school players that blossomed under the guidance of a college coach for 4 years.

I think judging whether or not a player "developed" in college based on their NBA careers is a mistake. It's much better to judge their development throughout their college career alone. By using the "progression during college" standard, Gottfried did not do well.

I agree with what he's saying or at least with what I think he is attempting to say. I'll use Coach Grant's time at VCU as an example. In 11 years at Alabama Gottfried had one 1st round draft pick. In three years at VCU Coach Grant had two, Eric Maynor and Larry Sanders. Eric Maynor was not rated at all coming out of high school. His rival's profile showed no stars. Larry Sanders was 2 star player according to rivals and scout. Coach Grant groomed and developed both of those players over his three years at VCU. Eric Maynor was drafted 20th overall by the Utah Jazz after his senior season. Larry Sanders left after his junior season and was drafted 15th overall.

I don't think you can judge a coach's ability to "coach em up" by the success of his players at the NBA level. However, I do think can look at how many players he's had drafted and in what rounds. There are a lot of coaches who take marginal high school players and groom them into NBA draft picks. Many of these players don’t turn into stars, but they do stick around. Danny Granger is another one that come to mind.