Link: Mark Gottfried Hired as NC State Mens Basketball Coach

[Harmost]

Good, now I don't have to listen to any more of his bizarre Vanderbilt grudge.

Oh, and sorry, NC State fans.

 

[Ldlane]

I agree with what he's saying or at least with what I think he is attempting to say. I'll use Coach Grant's time at VCU as an example. In 11 years at Alabama Gottfried had one 1st round draft pick. In three years at VCU Coach Grant had two, Eric Maynor and Larry Sanders. Eric Maynor was not rated at all coming out of high school. His rival's profile showed no stars. Larry Sanders was 2 star player according to rivals and scout. Coach Grant groomed and developed both of those players over his three years at VCU. Eric Maynor was drafted 20th overall by the Utah Jazz after his senior season. Larry Sanders left after his junior season and was drafted 15th overall.

I don't think you can judge a coach's ability to "coach em up" by the success of his players at the NBA level. However, I do think can look at how many players he's had drafted and in what rounds. There are a lot of coaches who take marginal high school players and groom them into NBA draft picks. Many of these players don’t turn into stars, but they do stick around. Danny Granger is another one that come to mind.

As a Mod that strictly moderated the "Fire CMG" threads when he was at Alabama, I have to say that there is still a bunch of anger out there!

The best judge of a coach to me is looking at several things:

1. How skills progress in players from year to year. (Not how many NBA stars you have on your team!)
2. How the team comes together.
3. Response to opponent's strategies from game to game and during games.
4. How your team progresses through the year and responds to adversity.
5. How your team is able to think on the floor and just not running mindless plays.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that if you play a team that presses you on defense that you have to get the ball to the middle of the court and you move the ball by passing. Under CMG our favorite Press break was dribble the ball as fast into the trapping areas and hope that the defense doesn't beat you to the spot. That is if we could get the ball inbounded in order to make that "unwise" decision! However, game after game and no matter how many times we faced the UT press, we did the same thing!!! I mean I even thought about sending him a couple press breaks that my Middle School team can run!

 

[CrimsonEyeshade]

Ronald Steele had no heart? Wish you had put that in the opening line so I could have stopped reading earlier than I did.

Most of us here wish CMG a great run at NCSU. But to do so, he will have to improve on his teaching, his motivation and his game coaching.

I must say WE miss and appreciate coach Mark gottfried ,, he was the 3rd winningest coach of all time at bama,and only failed to pass cm newton(maybe it was wimp) by 1 game I think,,,,,,,Because he resigned out of respect for our program.. You people that mock his approach, and ridicule his future, only show your true basketball ignorance.
Coach MG is one hell of a coach.
If rod grizzard, gerald wallace ,antonio mcdyess, kennedy winston,richard hendrix,mo williams, had stuck around, (like most should have), or r steele had any heart, he'd faired much much better...Do I believe it was time for a change ,,,YES,,,
I also respect and appreciate everything coach MG accomplished here as well....GOOD LUCK COACH MG

 

[redspider]

It appearears by reading responses that we have a drum section. So I am the only one thinks that CMG was awful. By the way Tide Alum J-F was
Jean-Felix. I'll only count players that I spell out their whole name. By the way still got sticks & drums.

 

[TideAlum]

It appearears by reading responses that we have a drum section. So I am the only one thinks that CMG was awful. By the way Tide Alum J-F was
Jean-Felix. I'll only count players that I spell out their whole name. By the way still got sticks & drums.

Jean Felix wasn't on the team in 2003-04, so he couldn't get hot against Stanford. You might want to know the roster before you credit players for specific wins.

 

[bamacon]

Ronald Steele had no heart? Wish you had put that in the opening line so I could have stopped reading earlier than I did.

That was the MOST ridiculous statement I've heard on the BBall board. I can't believe no one else had boo to say about it. Does everyone here actually watch Bama Bball on a regular basis?

 

[GreatMarch]

That was the MOST ridiculous statement I've heard on the BBall board. I can't believe no one else had boo to say about it. Does everyone here actually watch Bama Bball on a regular basis?

I saw the statement about Ronald not having heart and stopped reading right then. I wish CMG well At NCSU but he has some factors to overcome. I still pulled for Bama when he was here everytime we took the court and I wish him all the best in Raleigh and hope he whips Duke everytime out but I probably know better.

 

[BamaMTA06]

As a Mod that strictly moderated the "Fire CMG" threads when he was at Alabama, I have to say that there is still a bunch of anger out there!

I've only recently started posting because I never had a nice thing to say about Mark Gottfried. I was able to witness more than one of his practices. They were absolute jokes.

 

[Cr1msoN4life]

Ronald Steele had no heart? Wish you had put that in the opening line so I could have stopped reading earlier than I did.

Most of us here wish CMG a great run at NCSU. But to do so, he will have to improve on his teaching, his motivation and his game coaching.

Yes, I said it, R steele had NO HEART,(no heart is putting it nice) he quit on his teammates, he quit on his coach...
His talent was undeniable, that being said , Him being quitter isn't at question ... Quitters always quit. I hope his brother isn't from the same mold..

Alabama basketball team reeling since losing Ronald Steele, coach Mark Gottfried - al.com

"This Crimson Tide team has been permanently stained by a stretch in January that saw point guard Ronald Steele QUIT the team and coach Mark Gottfried forced to resign soon thereafter. "

 

[Cr1msoN4life]

I saw the statement about Ronald not having heart and stopped reading right then. I wish CMG well At NCSU but he has some factors to overcome. I still pulled for Bama when he was here everytime we took the court and I wish him all the best in Raleigh and hope he whips Duke everytime out but I probably know better.

I guess if being a quitter and a loser is your pre requisites for having heart, then so be it..

 

[Cr1msoN4life]

I've only recently started posting because I never had a nice thing to say about Mark Gottfried. I was able to witness more than one of his practices. They were absolute jokes.

I also witnessed several, and was thoroughly impressed with the harrick /piggy lambert "Hi lo" attack style he implemented, much similar to phil jacksons triangle offense...

Basketball's Balanced Offense by Jim Harrick (Used, New, Out-of-Print) - Alibris

 

[Ldlane]

I also witnessed several, and was thoroughly impressed with the harrick /piggy lambert "Hi lo" attack style he implemented, much similar to phil jacksons triangle offense...

Basketball's Balanced Offense by Jim Harrick (Used, New, Out-of-Print) - Alibris

That is true, but there comes a point in coaching when you have to realize that your philosophy isn't working and you need to change it based on the results you are getting on the court. He was simply too stubborn!

 

[RTR91]

Yes, I said it, R steele had NO HEART,(no heart is putting it nice) he quit on his teammates, he quit on his coach...
His talent was undeniable, that being said , Him being quitter isn't at question ... Quitters always quit. I hope his brother isn't from the same mold..

Alabama basketball team reeling since losing Ronald Steele, coach Mark Gottfried - al.com

"This Crimson Tide team has been permanently stained by a stretch in January that saw point guard Ronald Steele QUIT the team and coach Mark Gottfried forced to resign soon thereafter. "

You are spinning words my friend. As I recall, Ron quit the team because he wasn't any good to it because of the injuries.

 

[Cr1msoN4life]

You are spinning words my friend. As I recall, Ron quit the team because he wasn't any good to it because of the injuries.

No sir not spinning at all..
R steele's injuries where not permanent, so excuse me if i don't understand your point... Quitting the team mid season accomplishes nothing positive. I don't buy the freeing up scholly avenue as well..Wouldn't be applicable mid season in most cases anyways.

Good thing Donte Hightower doesn't take this quit for the team when injured approach..
Where I'm from people that are winners do not have quit in their vocabulary.You can sugar coat it all you want. I choose to call it like I see it.
R steele was a quitter.. I will remember him as such.

 

[Cr1msoN4life]

That is true, but there comes a point in coaching when you have to realize that your philosophy isn't working and you need to change it based on the results you are getting on the court. He was simply too stubborn!

My biggest beef with coach Mg, was his defensive philosophy on perimeter defense, I never had any problems with his offensive schemes, a very similar style scheme has been working with the lakers now for ages...lol His style depended a lot on a physical post presence...thus why Richard Hendrix and Erwin Dudley was so dominant under his tutelage.

I think a lot of people are for the most part are unappreciative of his accomplishments, and seriously underestimate coach mg abilities...

 

[CrimsonEyeshade]

As I recall, RTR, there was more to it than that. Gottfried said it was about injuries. Ronald came out the next day and said malarky.

Crimson4life: We get it. I wish the world was as simple as your cliches. You forgot the fact that Ronald dragged himself around for an entire season on knees that would have put most of us on crutches.

None of us really know what happened between the coach and the player, and to the credit of both, we probably never will.

You believe the player was in the wrong when he walked away. Fine, that is your right. But kindly lower the voltage on your criticism of a kid who did this university proud. Unless, that is, you have some inside information that justifies your level of contempt.

 

[TrampLineman]

How he got this job I'll never know. He'll be EATEN ALIVE in the ACC playing UNC, Dookie, and the likes. He couldnt beat SEC West teams on the road (even pitiful auBARN teams) he'll get smashed against UNC, etc. I give him less than 5 years EASILY.

 

[Ldlane]

My biggest beef with coach Mg, was his defensive philosophy on perimeter defense, I never had any problems with his offensive schemes, a very similar style scheme has been working with the lakers now for ages...lol His style depended a lot on a physical post presence...thus why Richard Hendrix and Erwin Dudley was so dominant under his tutelage.

I think a lot of people are for the most part are unappreciative of his accomplishments, and seriously underestimate coach mg abilities...

Are you suggesting that he Coach the Lakers once Phil is gone? NOT!

Schemes don't win games, players making plays win games! What works for the Lakers (As a Laker fan myself!) might not work best for others and it depends on talent. You run an offense that your players can handle and puts the ball in the basket period.

You're beating a drum for someone that basically didn't get the job done with an 84-83 conference record over 11 years!

 

[Tidetwin]

My biggest beef with coach Mg, was his defensive philosophy on perimeter defense, I never had any problems with his offensive schemes, a very similar style scheme has been working with the lakers now for ages...lol His style depended a lot on a physical post presence...thus why Richard Hendrix and Erwin Dudley was so dominant under his tutelage.

I think a lot of people are for the most part are unappreciative of his accomplishments, and seriously underestimate coach mg abilities...

Yeah, i thought he did a surprisingly good job as an ESPN analyst and he was a pretty good dresser.

 

[RKel32]

My biggest beef with coach Mg, was his defensive philosophy on perimeter defense, I never had any problems with his offensive schemes, a very similar style scheme has been working with the lakers now for ages...lol His style depended a lot on a physical post presence...thus why Richard Hendrix and Erwin Dudley was so dominant under his tutelage.

I think a lot of people are for the most part are unappreciative of his accomplishments, and seriously underestimate coach mg abilities...

The problem is, he refused to change his offense based on personnel. If you don't have a dominant center and a power forward that can go high low or make the foul line jumper (think Pau and Bynum for the Lakers if you want to continue with that analogy), the high post offense doesn't work. Sure, there times during his tenure when it worked, but there were other times when we just didn't have the pieces to make it work, but we continued to run it.