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Bama vs. UF Postgame Thread...

WylieTexasTider said:
I agree... I had high hopes for Grant but the more I watch him, the more he reminds me of Gotfried. Can anyone honestly say our offense is better today than it was in CMG's last season? Name one player who has improved under CAG? At a minimum, Mal needs to tell him in no uncertain terms, NCAA 2nd round next year is required at a bare minimum.

With the resources BAMA has their is absolutely no reason we should not be a consistent NCAA tourney team year in year out like UF.
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Who cares if our offense is better. We have a better team. 6-10, 6-10, 8-8, 12-4. Those are MG's records his first 4 years at Alabama. Took him 4 years to make the NCAA tournament. Took him 3 years to make the NIT championship game. After 2 full seasons MG was 12-20, Grant was 18-14 in the SEC. So I'd say we are in pretty good shape. 7-9, 5-11, 7-9 are the records for the last 3 years MG was in Tuscaloosa. I know Pearson was the coach for most of the last season. In his last 3 years MG's teams won 19 SEC games. In 2.5 CAG has won 23 SEC games. If that is not improvement I don't know what is. The only difference between the two coaches is that MG got into the dance with a 12-4 SEC record. He also got in with 7-9 and 8-8 SEC records as well. Oh and he would have never suspended Green and Mitchell. Your question about players that improved doesn't even merit a response. It shows that you are ranting or know little to nothing about basketball. The fact you think we could fire a quality coach like Grant and hire someone like Drew is even more laughable. You need to take an honest assessment of where the Alabama basketball program currently is and was when Grant arrived. To think the problem would be solved in 2.5 seasons is a joke.

Larry Sanders and Eric Maynor were unknows when they entered VCU. They were coachable and listened to Coach Grant and ended up being first round draft picks. All I ask of you is to back your baseless rants with some facts. Grant's only flaw is not being willing to get dirty in basketball recruiting and staying out of bed with the AAU coaches.

ROLL TIDE
 
As of right now, I see no way we make to the big dance short of winning the SEC tourney. We've had 2 big national games and laid eggs in both of them. Pitiful.

I hate to say these things, but I have to vent a little. CAG gets kudos for his character and his X's and O's coaching ability, but he is failing in managing egos. This level is of basketball is different than VCU. He could count on fair officiating on any given night and the kids would listen. We have the worst dynamic at play with the officials I have ever seen. Our players do not seem to be developing at this point. We can't buy a consistent 3 point shooter. Either coach needs to dump some players and start over or he need to get improve these kids skills. We were supposed to have the answer coming in this year in the form of 3 shooters. They get to T-town and can't even draw iron half the time.

This is year 3 and I think we as fans deserve better than we are getting. I think coach Grant can get it turned around, but we had better do it in a hurry.
 
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Re: Postgame thread - Bama vs. UF...

uconnhoops said:
First off I respect the University of Alabama. My aunt graduated from the school. I am an attorney who grew up in a basketball family. My father coached a State Championship mens basketball team in the state of Connecticut. I practice Sports/Entertainment Law in NYC. CAG is underachieving it is that simple. This team is headed to the NIT. Grant has NO control over his players. There is no mutual respect. This team had a legit opportunity to make a very deep run this year in the tourney. The ranling @ #12 or #13 was legit at the time. The team self destructed and Grant is the captain of the sinking ship. Its over...big disappointment. Football is KING in Alabama. Basketball? Not a bright future. I'm being honest and expect the mods to block my posts. I respect them for not doing that.
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Do us all a favor and stop posting attorney...
 
BamaMTA06 said:
Who cares if our offense is better. We have a better team. 6-10, 6-10, 8-8, 12-4. Those are MG's records his first 4 years at Alabama. Took him 4 years to make the NCAA tournament. Took him 3 years to make the NIT championship game. After 2 full seasons MG was 12-20, Grant was 18-14 in the SEC. So I'd say we are in pretty good shape. 7-9, 5-11, 7-9 are the records for the last 3 years MG was in Tuscaloosa. I know Pearson was the coach for most of the last season. In his last 3 years MG's teams won 19 SEC games. In 2.5 CAG has won 23 SEC games. If that is not improvement I don't know what is. The only difference between the two coaches is that MG got into the dance with a 12-4 SEC record. He also got in with 7-9 and 8-8 SEC records as well. Oh and he would have never suspended Green and Mitchell. Your question about players that improved doesn't even merit a response. It shows that you are ranting or know little to nothing about basketball. The fact you think we could fire a quality coach like Grant and hire someone like Drew is even more laughable. You need to take an honest assessment of where the Alabama basketball program currently is and was when Grant arrived. To think the problem would be solved in 2.5 seasons is a joke.

Larry Sanders and Eric Maynor were unknows when they entered VCU. They were coachable and listened to Coach Grant and ended up being first round draft picks. All I ask of you is to back your baseless rants with some facts. Grant's only flaw is not being willing to get dirty in basketball recruiting and staying out of bed with the AAU coaches.

ROLL TIDE
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The fact is CMG took us to the elite 8. CMG teams were not the worst shooting teams in SEC history. Obviously you don't know .... about basketball if you would take CAG over Scott Drew. You'd probably take Chiz over Saban too.
 
I dont think any of our players are doing what they do best consistently enough. Now, whether thats the coaches faults or the players idk.
 
WylieTexasTider said:
The fact is CMG took us to the elite 8. CMG teams were not the worst shooting teams in SEC history. Obviously you don't know .... about basketball if you would take CAG over Scott Drew. You'd probably take Chiz over Saban too.
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CMG took us nowhere, and nor have your curious postings
 
Listen, I as big a fan as their is in Basketball. I haven't missed a home game in years. Our defense is supposed to feed our offense, but on any given night when our defense is just decent we can not score in our half court sets. I do think he has taught them the mechanics of the offense, but he hasn't improved the kids skill level. I may feel different tomorrow, but right now I extremely frustrated.

I beleive Florida was beatable tonight,but I think Donovan out coached Coach Grant by a large margin tonight.
 
WylieTexasTider said:
The fact is CMG took us to the elite 8. CMG teams were not the worst shooting teams in SEC history. Obviously you don't know .... about basketball if you would take CAG over Scott Drew. You'd probably take Chiz over Saban too.
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Is that your only logic? Ok. BTW, I got to see CMG practices first hand. Little coaching involved.
 
TrueGritnPluck said:
CMG took us nowhere, and nor have your curious postings
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So CMG didn't take us to the elite 8? It was just a dream? Look, I agreed it was time for CMG to go but, at least he took us to the NCAA tourney multiple times. Right now I think it is fair to question if CAG will take us there.
 
The fact that we're even addressing this issue is absurd and is a tell to this boards overall inexperience in basketball. Anthony Grant is not and should not be on any sort of notice with anyone. He's not on a "hot seat", nor should he be in a seat that he is even luke-warm. This program has taken strides and even bounds in the short time that he has been here. The level of success has risen, the expectations have risen, on-campus interest has risen, so on and so forth. To complain that Anthony Grant "has no control over the team" is a joke in and of itself. He's just recently suspended four starters, two of which happen to be our most talented players and still remain suspended. If you ask me, he's taking control. People expect him to field a team - without his two best players - full of underclassmen, and then compete with top-ranked teams. He did that tonight. We lost by 9 points to the #12 team in the country. This is an acceptable, if not expected result. This team is not capable of winning a national championship, so think with a level head for a moment. The program has been in disarray over the last few days. It will improve, as will the product on the court. Anthony Grant should and does have the support of the athletic department.
 
BamaMTA06 said:
Is that your only logic? Ok. BTW, I got to see CMG practices first hand. Little coaching involved.
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What coaching is CAG doing? Look at the stats, JG, TM, TR all down from last season. I just expect players to get better one year to the next. We are in year 3 of the CAG experiment and it is about the same as the Mike Shula, David Hobbs and Mike Dubose experiments, not much to ride home about.
 
Lets see...got 5 more regular season games left which are all winnable and the SEC tourney before we close the books on Bama's NCAA hopes. Last season it was a poor pre-season showing that kept Bama out of the NCAA's despite a stellar SEC schedule even winning the West. This season the pre-season showing was stellar and we have hit a skid in the SEC schedule. You would think 21 wins would give Bama a chance to make it in the NCAA's at this point but for some reason Georgia got in last season with less wins and lossing to Bama twice at the end. What gives?

Florida has had Bama's number for several years now so losing to them tonight is not a shock, especially with no inside presence. The key will be what happens between tonight and this Saturday as to if this season is down the drain or not. Will Green and Mitchell return? If not it doesn't look great but in all honesty it may not matter either way. This is basketball ya'll do know don't ya? Streaks is the norm just as what UConn did last year at the very end. We should know Saturday though one way or another. Bama has seemed to have UT's number lately so a big win there could be the tell tale.
 
WylieTexasTider said:
What coaching is CAG doing? Look at the stats, JG, TM, TR all down from last season. I just expect players to get better one year to the next. We are in year 3 of the CAG experiment and it is about the same as the Mike Shula, David Hobbs and Mike Dubose experiments, not much to ride home about.
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Are you OK?
 
Gee, another outsider telling us what needs to be done with our program. His time would be better spent asking why his UConn program had to be called on the carpet by the NCAA for not being able to play within the rules.

Do any of your seriously think Coach Grant wants our program to be in this situation? Do you think he is not embarressed? Good grief. This isn't something he created, but it is something with which he must contend and he has to deal with it with an eye toward future seasons. As has been well established, this is a case of kids, no make that young adults, that know the difference between right and wrong choosing the latter without regard for their teammates, coaches, or familly. We generally call that being selfish. If Coach Grant is guilty of anything here, it is of giving a kid one too many second chances. Coach Bryant never could seem to get through to Linnie Patrick, just saying... not comparing.

And for those making comparisons to Gottfried, wow, how soon they forget. Our offense may not be much better but at least now there is ball movement, and player without the ball movement. CMG was fortunate enough to occasionally have a decent perimeter shooter, something that would be a big assist to this group. Here are two things that are light years better: defense and hustle. Under CMG, defense was something our kids did until they got the ball back, normally after the other team had scored. An opponent might well beat a CAG team, but seldom will it be from a lack of effort on his team's part. I shudder to think of returning to the days and ways of CMG.

Here are a few numbers to look at. In his last 3 years here, CMG was 55-42 (19-29 SEC), which was also his record for his first 3 years (20-28 SEC). His teams missed the "dance" in all 6 of those seasons. CAG is in his 3rd year, his record is 58-36 (23-20 SEC and a West championship), with at least 6 games still to play. That may not qualify as substantial progress, but I like the direction it's headed.

That's my .02, and it's worth exactly what you paid for it, lol.
 
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