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Hopefully Blake can take control of the offense this scrimmage and get his turnovers and game management down.. IMHO he is the most talented, with hurts right behind him.. The sooner a leader emerges at QB, the better for continuity sake.. Was I the only one that loathed the two QB battle we endured the start of last season? I say(and im the guru) during the game, isnt the time to be deciding who my starter is, unless the pre-determined starter is in need of benching. I stand behind Saban, and well his results are proven That said, i still hope a starter emerges before game 1. We got all fall camp to decide it I know I know, but id be willing to bet , Kiffin already has a favorite.
 
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TheTradition said:
I agree, Saban will have a backup plan. I never said Bateman would go into the game as the unquestioned starter. Someone just said something about Hurts and Barnett having to prove they are not ready for Bateman to start. I'm saying that they have to prove they are significantly more ready than Bateman if they want to start that first game considering the opponent.
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The problem with this is 1) kiffin's offense and 2) the state of football. While Coker seems to go against #1 his arm strength and improvising more than made up for it. Bateman is , like a few posters said, a GMac type qb. And we can't solely rely on the safe qb when there are offenses can score a lot and often. I know the typical response to that statement is "well a good defense..." Well a good defense won the national championship while giving up 40 points. Point is you still need an offense that can score around 30 points to have a real good chance to win it all. That's why people are thinking talent might be the deciding factor with a great defense coming back.

Bateman might be every bit of the athlete that he has been billed to be, but I think it's hard to say he is as talented as the other 3. But again talent means little if you can't put up points. But talent can help put more points. I think that's what people are saying about whether "hurts and barnett aren't ready" argument. They seem to have a higher ceiling than Bateman, but again this is just opinion and not fact.

Personally I feel that we will know who the qb is after the final whistle in the USC game, but that's just me.
 
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If Bateman is anywhere close to McElroy as a leader and a quarterback, we will win two championships under his helm. He still has to prove that.
 
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CrimsonEyeshade said:
If Bateman is anywhere close to McElroy as a leader and a quarterback, we will win two championships under his helm. He still has to prove that.
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Alabama doesn't run that offense anymore. Lane likes to take shots down the field. Greg didn't do that very often.


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I think Greg's limitations as a deep thrower really hurt us at points in 2010...especially in the SCAR and LSU games.


The ideal Lane Kiffin QB would seem to be a guy who can launch it when going deep but also has a quick release on the short passes. Because his gameplans seem to always revolve around the run and short throws bringing the defense close then the deep throw to make them pay.


In some ways, I feel like that was the core problem for the staff when deciding the QB last year. Coker had the arm but Bateman had the quick release. If there is a guy on the roster who can do both then I'd bet on him. If Bateman has improved on the deep throw, it will be him. If not, I'd not count out Barnett or Hurts.
 
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CrimsonEyeshade said:
If Bateman is anywhere close to McElroy as a leader and a quarterback, we will win two championships under his helm. He still has to prove that.
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GMac played under a very conservative and low risk offense focused on chewing up time and making possessions costly for opponents. Back in that day it was who was more physical on the line and better disciplined. Now you have offenses designed on high risk/ high reward philosophies in order to try to get around time being an issue. Like I said you need an offense that can match point for point in order to give you a better chance to win a national championship. The days of just showing up with a defense are over in the SEC. Sure it gives you a substantial edge, but with teams like auburn, ole miss, aTm, and to a degree Florida you are going to eventually give into an emotional run that defies conventional wisdom. You have to match it with some sort of quick strike capable offense yourself.

Bateman seems to have limitations with the deep ball like GMac. GMac was a great leader, but he was not the type of qb that was going to win an insane duel with a highly talented qb that got hot.And before you say Tebow, I'll remind you the game was pretty well in hand mid to late 3rd quarter and wasn't a duel. I'm talking about his duels with $cam and Garcia. Garcia was very talented but very inconsistent, but caught serious fire on that day and we couldn't kill their momentum. $cam caught fire and we muddled around and couldn't finish the deal with one back breaking throw the second half. Maybe a more modern hypothetical would be " could GMac have out dueled or atleast outplayed our qbs facing Johnny, Nick Marshall, and Kelley?" The answer is probably not because once our defense broke for a small amount of time we needed a quick offensive strike to settle the game down. A great example is comparing the 13 and 14 iron bowls. Nuss coached a very conservative game while Lane was constantly fishing for that one gut punch play to swing momentum. Had Lane been our OC in 13 we would probably be on 17 right now because AJ had a decent deep ball, but the point is leadership is one thing and talent is another. I think GMac was great but I think these last two years have proven you need a different type of qb and offense to win the big 1 than you did in 09

Fwiw I'm not saying that I think Bateman is or isn't going to be the guy, I'm just trying to show how the game manager qb is evolving into a qb more like Sims and Coker.
I think Bateman is a capable starter but I think he needs to have developed at least a decent deep ball that we can take to the house at any given time.
 
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RTR91 said:
Alabama doesn't run that offense anymore. Lane likes to take shots down the field. Greg didn't do that very often.
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I agree - not only does he like to, his entire offense is predicated on this. Many plays are run only to set up the long passes later in the game. The Lane Kiffin offense is just another average offense without the ability at the QB and receiver positions to cash on on those opportunities.
 
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Agree on relative arm strength. But GM threw for almost 3,000 yards as a senior. Not all of those were slip screens.
 
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CrimsonEyeshade said:
Agree on relative arm strength. But GM threw for almost 3,000 yards as a senior. Not all of those were slip screens.
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Again, the offense was different. Greg threw for almost 3,000 yards, but he was throwing shorter passes than what Lane's offense requires. You're right that he just wasn't throwing screens and racking up passing yards solely on YAC, but he also wasn't throwing multiple deep passes a game like Alabama does now.
 
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RTR91 said:
Again, the offense was different. Greg threw for almost 3,000 yards, but he was throwing shorter passes than what Lane's offense requires. You're right that he just wasn't throwing screens and racking up passing yards solely on YAC, but he also wasn't throwing multiple deep passes a game like Alabama does now.
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I respect all y'alls' opinions. We've spent a lot of time describing how Kiffin tailors his offense to his talents. I think he'd take this in a minute. These are highlights only, true. But to my eye, McElroy has a far quicker release and far more zip on the ball than what I've seen so far from Cooper.

Here's hoping I'm wrong.
 
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CrimsonEyeshade said:
I respect all y'alls' opinions. We've spent a lot of time describing how Kiffin tailors his offense to his talents. I think he'd take this in a minute. These are highlights only, true. But to my eye, McElroy has a far quicker release and far more zip on the ball than what I've seen so far from Cooper.

Here's hoping I'm wrong.
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Love GMac, but he was a below average athlete (relatively speaking) with an IQ well above average. He was successful in college because of his intelligence. But his lack of physical ability became obvious in the NFL, where he did not have the arm strength to make the quick pass to the sideline, much less the tight passes over the middle of the field.
 
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CrimsonEyeshade said:
I respect all y'alls' opinions. We've spent a lot of time describing how Kiffin tailors his offense to his talents. I think he'd take this in a minute. These are highlights only, true. But to my eye, McElroy has a far quicker release and far more zip on the ball than what I've seen so far from Cooper.

Here's hoping I'm wrong.
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I think that video further proves our point. The Arkansas pass where Julio was so open was very under thrown. We aren't bashing GMac and Cooper, and saying they are scrubs. We are just saying that their big play ability is low, and lane's offense needs the big play a lot more than macs offense in 09 and 10.
 
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Media observation from practice today..

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Observations from Wednesday's practice:

https://www.seccountry.com/alabama/...qbs-freshman-rb-and-more-as-tide-moves-inside

Cooper Bateman, Blake Barnett and Jalen Hurts are Alabama’s three healthy quarterbacks. Barnett and Hurts throw the best ball of the three. They both have great zip on their passes. It was noticeable on both the deeper throws and some of the quick routes we were able to see during the viewing period. Bateman puts too much air under the ball at times on some of the longer throws. Bateman looked good on some of the quicker routes like throws to the tight ends. But the receivers had to slow down on a couple of occasions to wait on the football when Bateman was throwing longer passes. That doesn’t happen often with Barnett or Hurts. That could be problematic against the speed of some of these SEC defenses.
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Barnett starts. Hurt backs up. Bateman transfers after the season.


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The more I look at Barnett's throwing motion, the more I'm thinking he's not going to be the long term answer, unless he changes that. I give it 30% odds that Hurts takes over at some point this year as the full time QB. He's got by far the most potential, he just needs experience.
 
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dvldog said:
Barnett starts. Hurt backs up. Bateman transfers after the season.


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Bateman better be a graduate transfer, or he will lose his eligibility if he transfers, unless he goes sub-division. He's definitely never going NFL with that lack of arm strength.
 
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Barnett starts. Hurt backs up. Bateman transfers after the season.


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This is how I see it playing out too. IDK what Bateman does if he gets beat out this year.

Good news is hopefully we start seeing some clarity in the pecking order after today's scrimmage. I know that hasn't always happened this way the last couple years, but the cream ought to start rising to the top.
 
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Travis Reier tweets: "the buzz continues" with a picture of Hurts. Don't know how the info is leaking out but it sounds like he might be having a good scrimmage.
 
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