2016 Season QB Thread

[rgw]

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You don't win 5 titles in your career when you worry about playing guys just to keep them around instead of playing the best guy at the position.

 

[TheTradition]

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Scrimmages will tell the tale. Given his experience, I really feel like Bateman is gonna be there until the end. Does Barnett or Hurts step up as the alternative? Gonna be really interesting..

 

[HartselleTider]

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You don't win 5 titles in your career when you worry about playing guys just to keep them around instead of playing the best guy at the position.

I would agree with that.

I mean, Cooper Bateman probably has what amounts to maybe 30 minutes worth of game experience that the two more talented freshmen don't have? And none of it really relevant, or even remotely impressive.

Just seems to me that Barnett or Hurts would really have to convince the coaches they're not ready, or Bateman would have to clearly demonstrate legitimate separation in practice to earn the starting job. Otherwise I don't really see the benefit long term or short term in not just letting one of the freshmen play if the competition is even close.

 

[RTR91]

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BOL had an article yesterday discussing the QBs. The question it pretty much asks - do you want a QB that knows the system or one that can execute the system? Because of the WR corps Alabama has Cooper might not be able to execute the system. Reier indicates he believes Cooper would have been better with an offense more like 2009 instead of what Saban and Kiffin are currently doing.

 

[Tideflyer]

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BOL had an article yesterday discussing the QBs. The question it pretty much asks - do you want a QB that knows the system or one that can execute the system? Because of the WR corps Alabama has Cooper might not be able to execute the system. Reier indicates he believes Cooper would have been better with an offense more like 2009 instead of what Saban and Kiffin are currently doing.

IMO Barnett`s in a great position. He just needs to make the throws when they`re there ( as in, don`t force it and turn the ball over ), use his athleticism ( as in, his legs ) when it`s there, and he`s got it. Again, JMHO.

 

[BamaMoon]

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IMO Barnett`s in a great position. He just needs to make the throws when they`re there ( as in, don`t force it and turn the ball over ), use his athleticism ( as in, his legs ) when it`s there, and he`s got it. Again, JMHO.

Same could probably be said of Hurts too, but the 1.5 years Barnett has in the system now going to help him so much compared to Hurts.

Something else to consider. Based on what we heard and saw and now Jess is saying in his article, Barnett had a pretty bad first year in terms of his development and progression. Certainly his health did not cooperate (which he had no control over) and his tendency to force the ball eventually took him out of any chance to play last year.

However, he's withstood the adversity and seems to have learned some lessons, has gotten stronger and bigger and has a great attitude about Bama and his opportunities this year.

He's definitely in a great position to take the job IMO.

 

[AlexanderFan]

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BOL had an article yesterday discussing the QBs. The question it pretty much asks - do you want a QB that knows the system or one that can execute the system? Because of the WR corps Alabama has Cooper might not be able to execute the system. Reier indicates he believes Cooper would have been better with an offense more like 2009 instead of what Saban and Kiffin are currently doing.

You mean.... He's John Parker Wilson? Somebody said that



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[BamaMoon]

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You mean.... He's John Parker Wilson? Somebody said that



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I don't think there'd be any comparison to John Parker Wilson's arm strength and Batemans.

JPW had a pretty strong arm. If he'd had a chance to play a couple more years under CNS he'd had a lot more success IMO.

And, FWIW, 2009 was Gmac under center.

 

[TheTradition]

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I would agree with that.

I mean, Cooper Bateman probably has what amounts to maybe 30 minutes worth of game experience that the two more talented freshmen don't have? And none of it really relevant, or even remotely impressive.

Just seems to me that Barnett or Hurts would really have to convince the coaches they're not ready, or Bateman would have to clearly demonstrate legitimate separation in practice to earn the starting job. Otherwise I don't really see the benefit long term or short term in not just letting one of the freshmen play if the competition is even close.

I get what you're saying, but I actually think it's the opposite. Barnett or Hurts will have to show considerable seperation if they wanna start. Saban has always gone the safe route, and regardless of how anyone feels about Bateman as a fan, I think coach feels comfortable with him.

 

[BamaMoon]

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I get what you're saying, but I actually think it's the opposite. Barnett or Hurts will have to show considerable seperation if they wanna start. Saban has always gone the safe route, and regardless of how anyone feels about Bateman as a fan, I think coach feels comfortable with him.

It's 6 one half dozen the other, but I tend to agree with Hartselle on this one. It should be the veteran who distances himself from the younger guys if he's really ready to drive the Bama machine.

 

[TheTradition]

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It's 6 one half dozen the other, but I tend to agree with Hartselle on this one. It should be the veteran who distances himself from the younger guys if he's really ready to drive the Bama machine.

I agree, I agree. I'm just saying everything in Saban's past suggest he tends to go with the older, safer choice when it's close.

 

[CrimsonForce]

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I would be surprised if someone other than Bateman starts vs USC. After that I could see any of the 3 taking the reigns..


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[81usaf92]

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I agree, I agree. I'm just saying everything in Saban's past suggest he tends to go with the older, safer choice when it's close.

I don't know how concrete that really is. We have mostly had returning qbs that won the job and kept it. I think the biggest knock on Bateman that no one has talked about is that he was actually had more time in the system than Coker, and was deemed by a lot of people as a far safer choice than both Sims and Coker. I just don't know if the older and more experienced qb of taking the job is more of CNS not liking the growing pains in the early season or if it is more of the superior qb that is just the upperclassman.

 

[BamaMoon]

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I don't know how concrete that really is. We have mostly had returning qbs that won the job and kept it. I think the biggest knock on Bateman that no one has talked about is that he was actually had more time in the system than Coker, and was deemed by a lot of people as a far safer choice than both Sims and Coker. I just don't know if the older and more experienced qb of taking the job is more of CNS not liking the growing pains in the early season or if it is more of the superior qb that is just the upperclassman.

Agreed...at some point one of the young ones is just going to be better and CNS will go with him, despite the fact there will be a few growing pains.

Who knows, but this could be the year.

 

[81usaf92]

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I would be surprised if someone other than Bateman starts vs USC. After that I could see any of the 3 taking the reigns..


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If Bateman starts USC and finishes with the lions share I would be shocked if he isn't the starter for the rest of the season. I highly doubt we play guess who is going to be qb this week again on ole miss two years in a row.

 

[KrAzY3]

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Because of the WR corps Alabama has Cooper might not be able to execute the system. Reier indicates he believes Cooper would have been better with an offense more like 2009 instead of what Saban and Kiffin are currently doing.

It is hard for me to argue with that. Bateman, compares most closely to GMac in my opinion, both pros and cons. I still think Alabama can win with Bateman, but he has limitations and if Alabama wants to really put up points they might have go with the risk/reward of another option.

Based on what we heard and saw and now Jess is saying in his article, Barnett had a pretty bad first year in terms of his development and progression. Certainly his health did not cooperate (which he had no control over) and his tendency to force the ball eventually took him out of any chance to play last year.

There is some comparison to be made in terms of Phillip Sims. Sims had a ton of talent, everyone always knew that, that's why even after all the transfers and what not an NFL team still gave him an extended look. However, we never saw Phillip Sims put it together (though I still believe had he waited his time at Alabama he would have been an effective starter). Barnett might be more talented than Phillip Sims, but we're still waiting for the light to turn on and kind of see Barnett be the guy we believe he can be. I would point out though that none of us really saw the AJ, Blake, or Jacob that they could be until they were given a chance to start. Barnett might just be putting the pieces together as he progresses and we might not know until he gets his shot. I would also add I think it was always unrealistic for him to start as a true freshman, he never seemed physically or mentally ready as is the case for 95% of college quarterbacks as true freshman.

I get what you're saying, but I actually think it's the opposite. Barnett or Hurts will have to show considerable seperation if they wanna start. Saban has always gone the safe route, and regardless of how anyone feels about Bateman as a fan, I think coach feels comfortable with him.

I fully expect there to be a 1B. There's been a 1B in every QB competition since GMac landed the job. I would point out that 1B was once a redshirt freshman, he's not afraid to put someone inexperienced out there if they have done what they need to do.

The main complication is the magnitude of the USC game, but I think the plan will be to have a second guy ready to go in either case. To illustrate the difficulty of starting Bateman. You go with him because he shouldn't be as likely to make mistakes, but what if he can't put up enough points to pull away? Is that going to win him the job? The other tricky thing is where Hurts is in this, if he works his way to #2, this could push #3 out of the picture and make it about whether or not to take the redshirt off.

 

[TheTradition]

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I fully expect there to be a 1B. There's been a 1B in every QB competition since GMac landed the job. I would point out that 1B was once a redshirt freshman, he's not afraid to put someone inexperienced out there if they have done what they need to do.

The main complication is the magnitude of the USC game, but I think the plan will be to have a second guy ready to go in either case. To illustrate the difficulty of starting Bateman. You go with him because he shouldn't be as likely to make mistakes, but what if he can't put up enough points to pull away? Is that going to win him the job? The other tricky thing is where Hurts is in this, if he works his way to #2, this could push #3 out of the picture and make it about whether or not to take the redshirt off.

I agree, Saban will have a backup plan. I never said Bateman would go into the game as the unquestioned starter. Someone just said something about Hurts and Barnett having to prove they are not ready for Bateman to start. I'm saying that they have to prove they are significantly more ready than Bateman if they want to start that first game considering the opponent.

My expectation has always been that Bateman would probably start against USC, but they'll have one of the other two guys ready in case the offense struggles. In all honesty, I wouldn't mind seeing one of the younger guys start. I believe Bateman can do the job, but I do think the ceiling is much lower with him back there.

 

[westide]

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No matter who starts there are going to be mistakes due to the lack of game experience. The coaches do have an advantage in picking a starter. What better measuring stick then to have your quarterbacks go against the best defense in the country. I think Bama can win with Bateman, Barnett, or Hurts. It is certainly going to be an interesting few weeks

 

[jabcmb]

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First closed scrimmage this Saturday. I'm sure we'll have a lot of chatter and speculation on here Saturday night about quarterback performance. I feel pretty sure we'll have some regular posters who will actually be able to give us some accurate info. Looking forward to that.

 

[Snuffy Smith]

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I don't think there'd be any comparison to John Parker Wilson's arm strength and Batemans.

JPW had a pretty strong arm. If he'd had a chance to play a couple more years under CNS he'd had a lot more success IMO.

And, FWIW, 2009 was Gmac under center.

JP was a 3rd baseman and pitcher with a 90+ MPH fastball so yeah - he had a strong arm.


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