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2016 Season QB Thread

A couple of things to point out after catching up on 15 pages.

Blake Barnett is the highest ranked QB on campus, but the highest ranked QB we've had is Brodie Croyle. He was the consensus number 2 player (not QB) in the nation behind Kevin Jones (RB, VA Tech). Not a knock on BB, I've just been following recruiting since the mid 90's and Brodie is the highest ranked QB we've ever signed.

As for Hurts under throwing the ball, it isn't arm strength issues. The issue is his timing, which only gets better with reps. The QB competition was too crowded for too long, imo, and has put us slightly behind. Now since Hurts is getting the predominant amount of reps, his timing will just get better.

The ceiling for the offense this year is ridiculously high. We've honestly looked very mediocre, and are still averaging 45 ppg (I know we've had defensive scores). That shows me we can become overwhelming on offense if we continue to grow.

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Bamabuzzard said:
I agree the team seems to let down when Barnett is in there. They respond much better with Hurts in there. That's just part of it. That's what Saban means by "win the team".
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The other guys on offense need to be reminded they are in a competition for playing time as well. With the offense sputtering everyone has to improve or be replaced.
 
Matt0424 said:
A couple of things to point out after catching up on 15 pages.

Blake Barnett is the highest ranked QB on campus, but the highest ranked QB we've had is Brodie Croyle. He was the consensus number 2 player (not QB) in the nation behind Kevin Jones (RB, VA Tech). Not a knock on BB, I've just been following recruiting since the mid 90's and Brodie is the highest ranked QB we've ever signed.

As for Hurts under throwing the ball, it isn't arm strength issues. The issue is his timing, which only gets better with reps. The QB competition was too crowded for too long, imo, and has put us slightly behind. Now since Hurts is getting the predominant amount of reps, his timing will just get better.

The ceiling for the offense this year is ridiculously high. We've honestly looked very mediocre, and are still averaging 45 ppg (I know we've had defensive scores). That shows me we can become overwhelming on offense if we continue to grow.

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I think Hurts is being too careful trying not to make a mistake. Thats why he holds on to the ball too long. He will get better in time.
 
I think the two best passes Hurts threw yesterday were dropped by Dieter and Howard. Those were both solid throws that would have been TDs. However, I am concerned that he stares down receivers too much, and his timing with his receivers is a bit off. We have so many weapons on offense, but we have not developed any consistency yet. We won't have as much room for error this week, so I hope we are ready.
 
teamplayer said:
I think the two best passes Hurts threw yesterday were dropped by Dieter and Howard. Those were both solid throws that would have been TDs. However, I am concerned that he stares down receivers too much, and his timing with his receivers is a bit off. We have so many weapons on offense, but we have not developed any consistency yet. We won't have as much room for error this week, so I hope we are ready.
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timing can be off when splitting reps. should get better this week
 
Matt0424 said:
A couple of things to point out after catching up on 15 pages.

Blake Barnett is the highest ranked QB on campus, but the highest ranked QB we've had is Brodie Croyle. He was the consensus number 2 player (not QB) in the nation behind Kevin Jones (RB, VA Tech). Not a knock on BB, I've just been following recruiting since the mid 90's and Brodie is the highest ranked QB we've ever signed.
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You are right. I have recruiting summaries in PDF's that go back to 70's, including stars stats by year, and a ranking as they left the program. Remarkable to go back in time and look some of those classes.

IF we struggle against Ole Miss, there may be a last stand for BB. But I doubt that will happen. We may not even see him unless 1. Mop up 2. Losing.
 
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What's interesting is that Del Rio may have been the Bama starter had he stayed....4 TDs and over 300 yards vs Kentucky.
 
BAMAfan777 said:
What's interesting is that Del Rio may have been the Bama starter had he stayed....4 TDs and over 300 yards vs Kentucky.
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As a true fresham walkon, the word was that he had beaten out every scholarship quarterback by the last 4th of the season, including Blake. If AJ was dinged, it was Blake, if out, then it was Del Rio. This was my understanding of what I heard on this board. His departure had much to do with the Coker transfer. But that is me. Seems logical because you had Del Rio vs Blake for the next season. Very few knew Blake's potential at that time. His mop up duty, as a recruited Athlete was very limited. It seemed like an easy road to start, but he had to wait an additional year.
 
TIDE-HSV said:
I always thought his dad pulled the trigger too quickly on that transfer...
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I wonder if there is some bad blood between Jack and Monte Kiffin that led to that. Didn't Luke leave around the time we hired Lane?


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CullmanTide said:
I think Hurts is being too careful trying not to make a mistake. Thats why he holds on to the ball too long. He will get better in time.
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I believe you are correct, but I believe this is what we must live with if we are going to play a true freshman at QB.

And the reason he's probably being hesitant is he knows throwing INTs is a quick way to the bench so he's going to be more cautious.

Also, with our defense, we don't need Hurts (or Barnett if he's in) to take big chances at this point. Our defense can keep the score low enough most games for us not to have to win in an offensive shootout.

It may take several more games for Hurts to get his timing and confidence down, but considering we've "struggled" on offense but we've still scored plenty, I feel sorry for the team we play when it all starts to click for Hurts.

When's the last time we've scored in the 70's? I could see it happening sometime this year!
 
BamaMoon said:
I believe you are correct, but I believe this is what we must live with if we are going to play a true freshman at QB.

And the reason he's probably being hesitant is he knows throwing INTs is a quick way to the bench so he's going to be more cautious.

Also, with our defense, we don't need Hurts (or Barnett if he's in) to take big chances at this point. Our defense can keep the score low enough most games for us not to have to win in an offensive shootout.

It may take several more games for Hurts to get his timing and confidence down, but considering we've "struggled" on offense but we've still scored plenty, I feel sorry for the team we play when it all starts to click for Hurts.

When's the last time we've scored in the 70's? I could see it happening sometime this year!
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I believe it was the Coach Bryant years. We beat Virginia Tech 77-6, or something close to that, in 1973. (And it wasn't running up the score. We probably played 15 RBs and 5 QBs in that game).

We've gotten to the 60s a few times since then, but I don't remember us crossing the 70 point threshold.
 
Intl.Aperture said:
I can see us having that "ability" to score in the 70s - I can't see CNS allowing it. :tongue:
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No, not if it's intentionally trying to run up the score, but if we are going to go with Hurts and if he's making plays with his arm and legs and our defense scores a couple of times (like they are capable of doing) I could see a game where this happens.

Again, if we are going to play Hurts exclusively, I think you need to let him get all the experience he can and if it means stomping a mud hole in somebody I'd let him play away.

At this moment experience trumps everything else because we'll eventually have a tight game where one or two plays become the difference.
 
BamainBoston said:
I'd rather have a ball thrown late for an incomplete than a quick interception. Frankly, it was some of the passes he completed that concerned me the most. SEC defenses will eat those up.
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CLK has thrown him in the fire, for sure, and asked him to make some difficult throws at times. And yes, some of those we've seen will be picks against stiffer competition.

I'd like to see CLK get Hurts out of the pocket more right now with a run/pass option. FWIW, I wish he would have done this more with BB too, when he played. I didn't think BB was given a fair shake in some of the play calls by CLK to get him into the flow of the game with some easy passes. JMO
 
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