What Are Clemson's Weaknesses?

i don't remember anything about dabo being at bama and until late last year, didn't give him more than a passing thought. i just think the guy is a tool.

As a player I saw him more in the 92 SECCG as a safety valve for barker, as a coach at Bama he was a face amongst many others on the sideline. Its really not uncommon for the majority of fans not to know who the GAs or position coaches are. I mean you can look at how many candidates on our current staff that were mentioned in the Kiffin replacement threads, and how many posters were like "Who?".

Ive never met him personally, but Ive heard from several people who know him well, or had chances to meet him that say he is good person, and is pretty much like he is on camera in real life. What I was more referring to was that there is this common line of thought that he deserves the same classification of deplorability as Dubose (his boss).

FWIW here is his career stops

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Where do they rank in rush defense?

They rank 19th and give up 123 yards per game.


But are there contexts that we can view those through?

Pettway wasn't a starting RB when they played Auburn.

How many of those low totals are because they blew out teams who spent the rest of the game throwing trying to get back in the game?

How many lousy rushing offenses did they play in the first place?

They played Ga Tech, who has the nation's #9 rushing offense. They held them to 95 yards rushing but....GT doesn't do anything BUT run in the first place. Ohio State averages 245 per game and Clemson held them to 88. But then again, they were in a 10-0 hole pretty quick, too. Louisville averages 242 and nailed them for 273 (to go along with nearly 300 yards passing). Pitt averages 225 and got 156. Hence, the cursory look says Jalen is going to have to throw the ball at least enough to get them to respect it.
 
I think its rather ironic at the number of Alabama fans that are totally Ok with McElwain succeeding at Florida, but are not ok with Dabo succeeding anywhere.


I don't know, nor do I pretend to know what personally happened with him during his time here as an assistant, but that has nothing to do with him being probably the 2nd or 3rd best coach in the country. Seriously, who defeats Fisher,Miles, Meyer, and Stoops twice within 5 years and isn't considered a good coach. I cant remember Clemson being this consistently good ever. Dabo is a lot more than just Deshaun Watson.

Based on what I've heard from a close source - and I cannot repeat it here - what Dabo did do was so unforgivable that you don't want him here. And yes, it might have been an 'under pressure as a young guy' situation....but given our history with the NCAA, it's just an upstream swim that we don't need. Funny thing is, I literally don't recall him playing for us. I knew the name was slightly familiar but not "why" it was familiar.

Dabo is probably a good enough guy, but I'll be stunned beyond belief if he's ever coach here.
 
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Dabo is probably a good enough guy, but I'll be stunned beyond belief if he's ever coach here.

I really didn't want to get in the " Would you want him to coach here." topic ( and the answer is Heck no for me if it was up to me Btw. Im not really down for a Rah Rah kinda guy at Bama, but if he is the coach at some point Ill support him ), my whole point in that post is that it always seems when Bama fans watch Clemson there is always a comment similar to what we give for Malzhan about being lucky. But if he is relying on luck, I want to know his secret without him coming here because even Malzhan isn't capable of 6 straight years of luck.

Based on what I've heard from a close source - and I cannot repeat it here - what Dabo did do was so unforgivable that you don't want him here. And yes, it might have been an 'under pressure as a young guy' situation....but given our history with the NCAA, it's just an upstream swim that we don't need. .

We've probably heard similar things, but I tend to think he wasn't doing it without someone higher up telling him to do it if it was true. But its besides the point of not giving him credit

. Funny thing is, I literally don't recall him playing for us. I knew the name was slightly familiar but not "why" it was familiar.

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92 SECCG was probably the most Keith Jackson ever called his name
 
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Based on what I've heard from a close source - and I cannot repeat it here - what Dabo did do was so unforgivable that you don't want him here. And yes, it might have been an 'under pressure as a young guy' situation....but given our history with the NCAA, it's just an upstream swim that we don't need. Funny thing is, I literally don't recall him playing for us. I knew the name was slightly familiar but not "why" it was familiar.

Dabo is probably a good enough guy, but I'll be stunned beyond belief if he's ever coach here.

I think what really matters is what Saban thinks of him - because I believe that's who will pick our next head coach.


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I really didn't want to get in the " Would you want him to coach here." topic ( and the answer is Heck no for me Btw), my whole point in that post is that it always seems when Bama fans watch Clemson there is always a comment similar to what we give for Malzhan about being lucky. But if he is relying on luck, I want to know his secret without him coming here because even Malzhan isn't capable of 6 straight years of luck.

We've probably heard similar things, but I tend to think he wasn't acting alone if it was true. But its besides the point of not giving him credit


92 SECCG was probably the most Keith Jackson ever called his name

Let's be honest: there's a segment of our fan base that is never going to give Auburn credit for diddly. Auburn won a national title and the only thing said was, "Yeah, but he was paid." I'm sure he was...but many teams have paid many players and most did NOT win national championships. (Look no further than SMU). The dollar bills didn't make a single play that season.

As far as luck....I'd call Auburn 'lucky' in one particular game, the 2013 UGA game. You cannot draw up a play to do what the Ricardo Louis touchdown did. But most of the other things derided as 'luck' are more precisely called 'taking advantage of the situation you were given' or 'executing at critical moments.' I realize it's painful, but the 2013 Iron Bowl was NOT a lucky win. The last play was the kind of thing Saban does to other teams. But the only reason it came down to that last play, of course, is our failure to punch it into the end zone despite three red zone trips in the fourth quarter. At some point, the Auburn D HAS to be given credit for executing.

And it's the same, I think with Dabo at Clemson. Clemson got a bad reputation over years - hell, decades - of being 'good but just not good enough.'

Just look at their pre-Dabo history:


1993 - start at 22, lose to FSU, fall out....and never come back
1994 - start at 24, beat Furman and go to 22, lose....and fall out
1997 - start at 18, begin to climb, narrowly lose to FSU and don't drop.....and then lose the very next week
1999 - start unranked, get in at 19...and immediately lose and fall out
2000 - start at 17, got up to number five in October while unbeaten....and lose 3 of 4
2004 - start at 15, beat Wake Forest then lose four straight
2005 - win the first 2 unranked, jump into the polls....and lose the next three, two against unranked opponents
2006 - start at 18, lose to BC, beat FSU and come back in the polls rise to 11....then lose four out of five
2007 - start unranked, climb to 13 by October lose two in a row, fall - rise again, lose again and fall...then lose the bowl game
2008 - start at 9, lose to Alabama and fall to 22, hang tough.....and lose four of five and fire Tommy Bowden


Over and over......just as they're looking like the new hot girl in school, they turn out to have an STD. Dabo has put that behind them.
 
Don't have a clue about what he did at UA. I have some good friends at CU and they have grown to love him...he is passionate and loves his players. Uses religion a little too much for me...but I'm pretty sensitive to that. Seems to be a great father and family man...all around good guy.

What bothers me is a lack of poise and "presence" when he is speaking. He comes across as a "wannabe" -- a guy who is trying to prove himself. I think that underneath he lacks self-confidence and that comes from his childhood experiences with borderline poverty, etc. (At least according to the popular narrative. I have no way of knowing.) Will he ever "grow" out of that...who knows? He is still trying to "prove" that Clemson is an elite program...

I cannot see UA ever having another coach who comes across like that. CNS has a lot of faults...we all do. However, a lack of self-confidence is not one of them.
 
Let's be honest: there's a segment of our fan base that is never going to give Auburn credit for diddly. Auburn won a national title and the only thing said was, "Yeah, but he was paid." I'm sure he was...but many teams have paid many players and most did NOT win national championships. (Look no further than SMU). The dollar bills didn't make a single play that season.

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If them being accused by the whole country of paying Cam Newton keeps the NCAA out of Tuscaloosa, fine by me. Would rather them not have a NC, but Ive seen the NCAA burn us too many times because of winks, secret witnesses, and other hints and bull crap. But if we are being totally honest about that NC they won, Fairley and Dyer had bigger impacts than Cam.


And it's the same, I think with Dabo at Clemson. Clemson got a bad reputation over years - hell, decades - of being 'good but just not good enough.'

Just look at their pre-Dabo history:




Over and over......just as they're looking like the new hot girl in school, they turn out to have an STD. Dabo has put that behind them.

Yeah I think all of this pretty much shows what Clemson is and isn't without Dabo. He is a very good coach.
 
Heck, Clay yesterday was ranking Dabo in the top five nationally as a head coach - and said he'd have him at THREE if he beats Saban.

After all - who ever heard of beating BOTH Meyer AND Saban in the same year?
 
Heck, Clay yesterday was ranking Dabo in the top five nationally as a head coach - and said he'd have him at THREE if he beats Saban.

After all - who ever heard of beating BOTH Meyer AND Saban in the same year?

Within days of each other

I know some don't care for Dabo but he is a good coach. He's doing what Gus and Hugh and others haven't, sustained the success. Let's see how he does with #4 and that will tell us a lot too.


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How many games do they lose this year if not for Watson? Let's see what he does without an allpro at qb.

I'm not a big Dabo fan, but he's been consistently good, even before Watson:

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The key is to get to Watson before he makes his second and third reads. DL has to control their gaps and make sure he doesn't escape. Collapse the pocket on him and make him throw under pressure.
 
How many games do they lose this year if not for Watson? .
Penalizing him for having Watson is a very loaded argument.

Let's see what he does without an allpro at qb.
He has had 4 straight +10 win seasons, 2 Orange Bowl Wins, 1 ACC title, 3 ACC Atlantic division titles, a 61-26 record, and a 8-10 record against NC winning coaches without Watson. Not exactly signs of a bad or lucky coach.
 
He has had 4 straight +10 win seasons, 2 Orange Bowl Wins, 1 ACC title, 3 ACC Atlantic division titles, a 61-26 record, and a 8-10 record against NC winning coaches without Watson. Not exactly signs of a bad or lucky coach.

He's actually had six straight 10+ win seasons and is 69-13 (.841) over the last six seasons, 88-28 (.759) overall at Clemson. He has won five ACC Atlantic division titles and three ACC titles. The man can coach.
 
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He's 69-13 (.841) over the last six seasons, 88-28 (.759) overall at Clemson. The man can coach.

And he can recruit. Clemson already has commitment from All-Everything 2018 QB Trevor Lawrence, whom we and everybody else really wanted.

Back to the thread. I truly believe that this year's Clemson team starts a little bit in the hole because there is no way that DW, as good as he is, will play to last year's championship game level. He was one bad read short of perfection and made throws on the dead run through some of the smallest windows imaginable.
 
I truly believe that this year's Clemson team starts a little bit in the hole because there is no way that DW, as good as he is, will play to last year's championship game level. He was one bad read short of perfection and made throws on the dead run through some of the smallest windows imaginable.
And the year's defense is improved over last. I'm just not nervous about this one, I have a feeling last year was the anomaly.
 
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