Texas A&M at UCLA Game Thread (aka The Hot Seat Bowl)

[4Q Basket Case]

I don't believe he'll be fired until the end of the season. I think it'll be done with an air of class, unspoken bbutthe ccountdown has begin.

Could be crazy wrong, I dunno.

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Member of aTm's board of regents issues BLISTERING statement.



http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/20575057/texas-aggies-regent-calls-ouster-coach-kevin-sumlin

Well, the air of class didn't last long.

This sort of thing is exactly why UTw and aTm have such a hard time attracting good coaches.

A Regent goes public with a call to fire after one (inexcusable) loss, in the season opener, alone, with no vote from the board? And he criticizes Sumlin for being arrogant? Really?

Look, I understand the frustration. I understand the sentiment. I would understand him calling other Regents to arrange an emergency conference call at 2AM. But he went public first.

Sumlin is toast in any event, and deserves to be. But Buzbee is sending a strong message to the next coach, whoever that poor guy might be....."If you do not perform, the AD will leave you twisting in the breeze before the season even starts. Then, if you do not improve, the Board of Regents will publicly humiliate you."

Not exactly what one would call sound long term personnel management. And anybody who would do that is not worthy of a fiduciary position that, by its very nature, demands a long view.

Sumlin is gone in any event. Buzbee, in an act of ego and in absolute contravention of his duty, has made the situation more difficult to remedy. He himself should be removed from his position of trust.

 

[tattooguy21]

Well, the air of class didn't last long.

This sort of things exactly why Texas and A&M have such a hard time attracting good coaches.

A Regent goes public with a call to fire after one (inexcusable) loss I the season open, alone, with no vote from the board? And he criticizes Sumlin for being arrogant? Really?

Look, I understand the frustration. I understand the sentiment. I would understand him calling other Regents to arrange an emergency conference call at 2AM.

But he went public first. Sumlin is toast in any event, and deserves to be. But Buzbee is sending a strong message to the next coach, whoever that poor guy might be....."If you do not perform, the AD will leave you twisting in the breeze before the season even starts. Then, if you do not improve, the Board of Regents will publicly humiliate you."

Not exactly what one would call sound long term personnel management. And anybody who would do that is not worthy of a position that, by its very nature, demands a long view.

Sumlin is gone in any event. Buzbee, in absolute contravention of his duty, has made the situation more difficult to remedy, and should himself be removed from his position of trust.

I feel like I gonna get A LOT of quote notifications today from this thread and my naivete in expecting the best from the A&M crew.

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[Con]

I keep checking this thread to see if Sumlin has been fired yet. It will be interesting the next few days or weeks over there.


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[BamaMoon]

I went to bed after watching the first half on the DVR. Just finished watching this morning. UNBELIEVABLE!

 

[Tug Tide]

TexAgs poster "Portuguese Breakfast"
posted this in Dec 2016 and edited this morning to include the '17 start:

2013 9-4 (4-4)

1. Return a Heisman winner and lose 4 regular season games - only team ever to do that
2. Blown out by lsu 34-10
3. Two wins vs. teams that finished ranked (Duke #23, Vandy #24)
4. 2-4 vs. the west (1-2 at home)
5. Finish 4th in the west

2014 8-5 (3-5)

1. 59-0
2. Blown out by ole miss at home
3. Escape ULM by 5 at home
4. Lose a 4 star qb
5. Zero home wins in conference play for the first time in 45 years
6. One win vs. a team that finished the season ranked (Auburn #22)
7. 2-5 in final 7 games vs. power 5 opponents
8. Finished 6th in the west and unranked
9. Average margin of defeat: 21 points

2015 8-5 (4-4)

1. 41-23 at home
2. 23-3 beat down by ole miss
3. Blown out at home by the worst team in the west 26-10
4. Score one or no touchdowns in 5 of 8 conference games
5. Last in the west in touchdowns scored
6. Lose two 5 star qbs
7. Average margin of defeat: 17 points
8. 2-4 vs. the west (1-2 at home)
9. Zero wins over ranked teams
10. 2-5 in final 7 games vs. power 5 opponents (wins over 4-8 vandy and 3-9 sc)
11. First time in 30 years to go 3 straight seasons without beating a team finishing in the top 20
12. Lose music city bowl to middle of the pack ACC team
13. Finish tied for 5th in the west and unranked


2016 8-5 (4-4)

1. Lose to the worst team in division - a team that lost at home to south alabama
2. Lose to 2nd worst team in the division at home
3. Two losses to teams finishing under .500 for the first time in 30 years
4. Blown out at home by lsu
5. Lead the west in punts
6. Beat two teams that finished ranked (Tennessee #22, Auburn #24)
7. 0-5 in final 5 games vs. power 5 opponents (3, possibly 4 of which will finish the year unranked)
8. Lose the texas bowl to a middle of the pack bdf team
9. 2-4 vs. the west (1-2 at home)
10. Finish 4th in the west and unranked
11. 4th straight season to not beat a team finishing in the top 20 (last time that happened was from
'81-84)

2017

1. 2nd biggest collapse in college football history
2. 0-6 in last 6 games vs. power 5 teams

 

[RammerJammer14]

Re: Texas A&M at UCLA Game Thread (aka The Hot Seat Bowl)

This reminds me of that gorgeous info graphic someone made of the Notre dame Bama bcs game. Y'know, except all these stats seem like they were pulled from a nightmare. I haven't checked for accuracy, but if true....Ugh.

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That is pretty damning, but the "home record" stat confuses me. How can they be 1-6 the last 3 seasons at home? That should be one season's worth of home games right there. Similarly, 5-9 covers 2 seasons, not 4. Or am I missing something.

 

[RammerJammer14]

TexAgs poster "Portuguese Breakfast"
posted this in Dec 2016 and edited this morning to include the '17 start:

2013 9-4 (4-4)

1. Return a Heisman winner and lose 4 regular season games - only team ever to do that
2. Blown out by lsu 34-10
3. Two wins vs. teams that finished ranked (Duke #23, Vandy #24)
4. 2-4 vs. the west (1-2 at home)
5. Finish 4th in the west

2014 8-5 (3-5)

1. 59-0
2. Blown out by ole miss at home
3. Escape ULM by 5 at home
4. Lose a 4 star qb
5. Zero home wins in conference play for the first time in 45 years
6. One win vs. a team that finished the season ranked (Auburn #22)
7. 2-5 in final 7 games vs. power 5 opponents
8. Finished 6th in the west and unranked
9. Average margin of defeat: 21 points

2015 8-5 (4-4)

1. 41-23 at home
2. 23-3 beat down by ole miss
3. Blown out at home by the worst team in the west 26-10
4. Score one or no touchdowns in 5 of 8 conference games
5. Last in the west in touchdowns scored
6. Lose two 5 star qbs
7. Average margin of defeat: 17 points
8. 2-4 vs. the west (1-2 at home)
9. Zero wins over ranked teams
10. 2-5 in final 7 games vs. power 5 opponents (wins over 4-8 vandy and 3-9 sc)
11. First time in 30 years to go 3 straight seasons without beating a team finishing in the top 20
12. Lose music city bowl to middle of the pack ACC team
13. Finish tied for 5th in the west and unranked


2016 8-5 (4-4)

1. Lose to the worst team in division - a team that lost at home to south alabama
2. Lose to 2nd worst team in the division at home
3. Two losses to teams finishing under .500 for the first time in 30 years
4. Blown out at home by lsu
5. Lead the west in punts
6. Beat two teams that finished ranked (Tennessee #22, Auburn #24)
7. 0-5 in final 5 games vs. power 5 opponents (3, possibly 4 of which will finish the year unranked)
8. Lose the texas bowl to a middle of the pack bdf team
9. 2-4 vs. the west (1-2 at home)
10. Finish 4th in the west and unranked
11. 4th straight season to not beat a team finishing in the top 20 (last time that happened was from
'81-84)

2017

1. 2nd biggest collapse in college football history
2. 0-6 in last 6 games vs. power 5 teams

"Lead the West in punts" :rofl:

 

[crimsonaudio]

TexAgs poster "Portuguese Breakfast"
posted this in Dec 2016 and edited this morning to include the '17 start:

Holy crap.

 

[InsaneMustang]

With 3 timeouts left on that last drive, the freshman QB for A&M deserved a timeout or two to be able to regroup. Sumlin had an opportunity to teach him and help him learn.

Hope they mail those 3 timeouts with his unemployment check.


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[Bamabuzzard]

A lot of the talking heads are criticizing the board of regents member for publicly calling for Sumlin's firing. But here's the thing, "we" as a football culture in this country have gotten so used to coaches making literally millions on top of millions of dollars. We've become desensitized to the fact that is a sick amount of money to coach football. COACH FOOTBALL. So when a coach gets paid this amount of money. He better have Urban Meyer/Nick Saban type results. As a coach if you demand an unrealistic salary then expect unrealistic expectations. It's the nature of the beast. Nick Saban has been the only coach who (IMO) has been worth the salary he's made. He's made the unrealistic expectations come true. That is a rarity, and other less worthy coaches have benefited from Saban's success through increase in coaches' salaries. He's actually earned it.

 

[4Q Basket Case]

A lot of the talking heads are criticizing the board of regents member for publicly calling for Sumlin's firing. But here's the thing, "we" as a football culture in this country have gotten so used to coaches making literally millions on top of millions of dollars. We've become desensitized to the fact that is a sick amount of money to coach football. COACH FOOTBALL. So when a coach gets paid this amount of money. He better have Urban Meyer/Nick Saban type results. As a coach if you demand an unrealistic salary then expect unrealistic expectations. It's the nature of the beast. Nick Saban has been the only coach who (IMO) has been worth the salary he's made. He's made the unrealistic expectations come true. That is a rarity, and other less worthy coaches have benefited from Saban's success through increase in coaches' salaries. He's actually earned it.

I don't think anybody has a problem with average everyday fans calling for his firing. Fans will be fans.

I don't think anybody has a problem with the BoR, as a body, considering termination in a deliberate and dignified manner, out of the public eye, and coming forward with a statement only after there is consensus.

The problem comes when a single a Regent goes public alone with a statement that affects the most prominent face of the institution. Unless he polled the BoR before publishing his rant, he was out of line. Not with the sentiment. Not with the intent. But with the method of delivery and the forum.

If Buzbee did poll the BoR, and they didn't come out as a unified front, well, that's a cowardly way to hide behind one of your own. I don't think that happened, but it is the other possibility, however remote.

So Buzbee was egotistical and way out of line, or the BoR as a whole was cowardly. I go with the first.

 

[Mystical]

This is a gots to go situation. I stopped watching after the first half for my wifes sake. He was making the SEC look good to.... He went from sugar to .... real quick.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

on the bright side it does help our coach with a teachable moment. no lead is safe.

 

[Ole Man Dan]

I don't know why he isn't already fired. You could fire him after this game and everyone would be like "yeah well that makes sense." You wait any longer and you leave the opening for media hand wringing over the termination.

It's all a matter of timing. That window is closing fast.

TAMU could be talking with Les on back channels. CLK would die for this job.

 

[bamacon]

I was surprised he was still coach through the weekend. I would have fired him 30 seconds after the last second of the game.


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[sabanball]

TexAgs poster "Portuguese Breakfast"
posted this in Dec 2016 and edited this morning to include the '17 start:

2013 9-4 (4-4)

1. Return a Heisman winner and lose 4 regular season games - only team ever to do that
2. Blown out by lsu 34-10
3. Two wins vs. teams that finished ranked (Duke #23, Vandy #24)
4. 2-4 vs. the west (1-2 at home)
5. Finish 4th in the west

2014 8-5 (3-5)

1. 59-0
2. Blown out by ole miss at home
3. Escape ULM by 5 at home
4. Lose a 4 star qb
5. Zero home wins in conference play for the first time in 45 years
6. One win vs. a team that finished the season ranked (Auburn #22)
7. 2-5 in final 7 games vs. power 5 opponents
8. Finished 6th in the west and unranked
9. Average margin of defeat: 21 points

2015 8-5 (4-4)

1. 41-23 at home
2. 23-3 beat down by ole miss
3. Blown out at home by the worst team in the west 26-10
4. Score one or no touchdowns in 5 of 8 conference games
5. Last in the west in touchdowns scored
6. Lose two 5 star qbs
7. Average margin of defeat: 17 points
8. 2-4 vs. the west (1-2 at home)
9. Zero wins over ranked teams
10. 2-5 in final 7 games vs. power 5 opponents (wins over 4-8 vandy and 3-9 sc)
11. First time in 30 years to go 3 straight seasons without beating a team finishing in the top 20
12. Lose music city bowl to middle of the pack ACC team
13. Finish tied for 5th in the west and unranked


2016 8-5 (4-4)

1. Lose to the worst team in division - a team that lost at home to south alabama
2. Lose to 2nd worst team in the division at home
3. Two losses to teams finishing under .500 for the first time in 30 years
4. Blown out at home by lsu
5. Lead the west in punts
6. Beat two teams that finished ranked (Tennessee #22, Auburn #24)
7. 0-5 in final 5 games vs. power 5 opponents (3, possibly 4 of which will finish the year unranked)
8. Lose the texas bowl to a middle of the pack bdf team
9. 2-4 vs. the west (1-2 at home)
10. Finish 4th in the west and unranked
11. 4th straight season to not beat a team finishing in the top 20 (last time that happened was from
'81-84)

2017

1. 2nd biggest collapse in college football history
2. 0-6 in last 6 games vs. power 5 teams

 

[Tidewater]

Now there is some of the old Aggies magic in gifs.

 

[dvldog]

Johnnie Walker Black?

 

[AUDub]

SIAP, but lol.

https://www.goodbullhunting.com/201...es-football-comeback-kevin-sumlin-playcalling

 

[tusks_n_raider]

SIAP, but lol.

https://www.goodbullhunting.com/201...es-football-comeback-kevin-sumlin-playcalling

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

BWAH-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! :biggrin: