QB Competition 2018
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Would you make the same argument for any other QBs in CFB? They all envision where the ball should go based on the coverage is. Jalen and Tua made adjustments at the LOS many times this season, and most of the time it's the right decision.
Do you realize Jalen's dad is a football coach?
He's only a sophomore. It's too early to call that. I'll explain more on that in my next post.
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I'll have to say that I agree with you on 20 percent of the statement. I believe he does have the arm talent, that boy can throw, but his issue is the ball placement. It's funny you mentioned we are immediately too far behind on the chains to run the ball. I don't remember seeing that this year. Very rarely we had that.
According to ESPN Stats:
1st and 11 + (1 sack, 3 rush for 6 yards )
2nd and 11+ ( 4/8 for 37 yards, 5 rush for 16 yards
3rd and 11+ ( 7/13 for 107 yards, 7 rush for 9 yards)
4th and 11+ (1 rush for 1 yard)
That's it. Very low numbers.
Earle, I tend to lend toward the argument for now. I would love to see Jalen to keep his eyes up when he's running, because he'll see open receiver at the last minute and throw the ball. He needs to work on that.
On Jalen's "Arm Talent", He doesn't need the arm talent to be successful. he just need to make correct decisions with the ball. He has improved a lot from last year and I suspect he'll continue to get better in the offseason.
I don't believe we will see receivers transferring to another school. Almost any transfers that leave Alabama tend to struggle at other school.
I don't believe we will see receivers transferring to another school. Almost any transfers that leave Alabama tend to struggle at other school.
It is possible that he only has one read on certain plays, but there is no way that he only has one read on all plays. As you pointed out, we have evidence to the contrary.
Exactly - either way it is a problem.
Situation one: He didn't make the extra reads he should have made in the pocket and took off to early.
Situation two: we are only giving jalen one read, then run but we trust Tua with more reads from the pocket more often.
Neither is good. Thing is, BOTH appear to be happening and needs to addressed.
Question for those more knowledgable than me.
What does a QB competition at the collegiate level look like?
If Alabama has an open QB competition in the spring what might that look like as far as the tools that the staff will use to test the QB's? Is it different at every school or are there a battery of situations, measurements or tests they can be put through that vary school to school depending on personnel and coaching staff?
(E.G. Dropback times, accuracy tests, velocity measurements, coverage identification times in the film room. etc etc?)
What does a QB competition at the collegiate level look like?
If Alabama has an open QB competition in the spring what might that look like as far as the tools that the staff will use to test the QB's? Is it different at every school or are there a battery of situations, measurements or tests they can be put through that vary school to school depending on personnel and coaching staff?
(E.G. Dropback times, accuracy tests, velocity measurements, coverage identification times in the film room. etc etc?)
Meyer also likes to choose a winner in the spring, and he likes to go public with his choice to get the team behind the player. I think that Meyer is as much about the leadership shown by the QB as his passing ability, though that is certainly a factor. I have never seen a college QB decision made based on the measurables that you list, though that may be a factor behind the scenes (makes sense that it would be).
I am not that knowledgable about how they evaluate QB's in a competition. I have to think that any, and I mean any thing fans see the coaches most definitely see. I find it hard to believe that the coaches on this staff are not the best in the nation. Now fixing a problem is another story. Seeing an issue is one thing, how to remedy it is what separates good coaches from great. I guess we will see very soon what adjustments and changes are made. reading the posts here many seem very very football smart. I have to think our coaches are as smart if not smarter when it comes to football. Here is to hoping they find the fixes needed to get us #17. ROLL TIDE and the best of luck to the team and staff in showing us all they can get er done.
I don't think a QB should have only one read on ANY play. They can never develop skills that way. I don't think the NFL is interested in QB's who aren't good at scanning the field and spotting secondary receivers. I wonder if the one read plays are on 3rd down causing us to have the poor 3rd down conversion rate.
He can answer for himself, but I think he's talking about "seeing/throwing the receiver open" and his ability to hit him in stride in the hands.
Sounds to me you're talking about pre-snap reads. Jalen should be able to do that. I believe that's what happens when he lets one go fast. He's pre-read the defense and he knows the receiver will be open at a certain spot. I think where it breaks down for him is he doesn't have the "eye" or "imagination" to see the play unfold as multiple receivers are running patterns and to see each one, their routes and to know when (timing) the receiver is about to break open.
IMO, this is why Jalen seems to struggle in dropping back in the pocket when it seems there are at least three receivers running a pattern.
Tua seems to excel in seeing this as it unfold and then he also has the accuracy to hit guys in the hands in tight spaces.
How does a qb not need arm talent? I think you said this is the context of his "accuracy" so do you not think that is important?
Most of the short, quick throws that many people think Jalen needs to make to be successful are totally based on timing and accuracy.
A short out route or quick slant can't be successful unless it's thrown on time and to the players hands.
Or.... What if he has that ability to do that, but choose to do it his way since he knows he can get yards with his legs? I'm just throwing that out there.
Tua is a good qb and we've all acknowledged that, but he's still untested.
Personally, I believe that that is too often the case. My belief doesn't matter. The opinion of the remainder of the offensive team does. Luckily, that part can be coached. Any tendency towards a "hero" complex should have been dissolved by the AU game...
So you need elite arm to throw short quick passes? We've seen qbs over the years that didn't have elite arm and still made plays with their arms or legs.
When you use the word elite, I think of Peyton and Eli Manning, Matt Leniert, Carson Palmer, Andrew Luck, Russell Wilson on collegiate level. They had arm talent, was elite QB.
But we had several QBs who didn't have the arm talent, but had the smart football IQ, managed football games.. Both type of QB can succeed on the field. It's how you use them.
It's too soon to give up on Hurts and his ability. That boy can throw. he improved his accuracy from last year, ball placement, and in off season, he'll continue to work on that, and learn to make throws in tight windows and etc. HE've had three different OCs in two years... let's wait and see what happens next year with Daboll. Both should be comfortable with each other by then.
Bingo! I feel like that's the direction right now with Hurts, looking at the game tapes and I feel like He's trying to take on too much and he got called out for that. Like you said, it should be dissolved by AU game... and we'll see what happens in Clemson game.
And if that is happening on a lot of plays, everybody who's ever played on a "team sport" understands why there has been some apparent unrest in the locker room.
There's a reason Jordan, Kobe and Lebron couldn't win championships until they had players around them that made the "team" a threat.
But if opposing defenses have gotten the blueprint on how to keep Jalen from getting those yards with his legs, the team won't succeed. If he "chooses" that, especially when it's obvious defenses are scheming against it, that's either selfish or shows lack of confidence. Either way, the team won't succeed following that plan. Playmakers are all over the field and it's Jalen's role to get the ball to those playmakers. Now, if called plays are for just 1 playmaker, that's on the OC. If it's rpo, multiple routes or reads, then Jalen has to adjust. I've been a Jalen fan since day one and hope he does.
What I know you need to throw short quick passes is "timing" and "accuracy." A certain level of arm strength is needed, but that's not the issue with Jalen. The other two are IMO.
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