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TIDE-HSV said:
I really hate to say it, but I'm afraid he's not the answer. I hate to say it because I don't want to face the alternative of starting over and trying to build enthusiasm again. I just can't see the path forward with what I'm seeing on the floor. I said it the other day, but it appears right now that we're getting Grant-like results with worlds more talent. All of us can see the problems that having a Sexton on the floor can cause, but, looking at it from the outside, including from the parents of outstanding HS prospects, how on earth do you miss the tournament with a lottery pick running the point?
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I'm hesitant to say too much but I tend to agree with you.
 
This is a warning to the vultures who like to hang around after a disappointing loss or season and attack fellow members - I'm on a bit of a short fuse today, so you might want to think twice...
 
TIDE-HSV said:
Well, we'll have at least another year to see how it proves out, in any case. I'll admit that I'm just a bit dispirited right now, after the early season expectations...
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As I mentioned in another thread, how much of those expectations included the assumption Davis and Norris were coming back?

Also, I doubt Greg makes a move for at least two more seasons. Would anyone want to fire Avery and hire a new guy to only see him come up in the FBI evidence? That would start the whole thing over again.


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The biggest disappointment that I have is that we needed ONE win to get us in the tournament. ONE and we went 0-5 with 2 of the losses at home. Like I said before , I’ve stuck up for CAJ a ton and I still don’t place all of the blame on him. However, we have collapsed at the end of our schedule for three straight years. I’m at a loss.


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RTR91 said:
As I mentioned in another thread, how much of those expectations included the assumption Davis and Norris were coming back?

Also, I doubt Greg makes a move for at least two more seasons. Would anyone want to fire Avery and hire a new guy to only see him come up in the FBI evidence? That would start the whole thing over again.


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Aye, there's the rub...
 
The fans can only do so much. The part of the equation that they make up is minuscule compared to that of the coaches and players.

For example. Florida Field was never an intimidating place to play until Spurrier got there. Same fans, but all of a sudden a coach that knew what he was doing and players with more ability than their opponents, and it becomes the Swamp and is the most difficult place to play.

Miami was never anything in the Orange Bowl until Schnellenberger came along.

Those are football examples, I know, but similar ones are there in the basketball world. The fanbase responds to the product on the court/field. In situations, the fans can provide a spark to help the team get back on their feet. But they cannot drive a program to success, and they do not cause 5 game losing streaks when a team is sitting squarely in the tournament with room to spare.

Crazier things have happened, so maybe this team can get on some kind of roll in St. Louis. It's the only chance left.
 
TideEngineer08 said:
The fans can only do so much. The part of the equation that they make up is minuscule compared to that of the coaches and players.

For example. Florida Field was never an intimidating place to play until Spurrier got there. Same fans, but all of a sudden a coach that knew what he was doing and players with more ability than their opponents, and it becomes the Swamp and is the most difficult place to play.

Miami was never anything in the Orange Bowl until Schnellenberger came along.

Those are football examples, I know, but similar ones are there in the basketball world. The fanbase responds to the product on the court/field. In situations, the fans can provide a spark to help the team get back on their feet. But they cannot drive a program to success, and they do not cause 5 game losing streaks when a team is sitting squarely in the tournament with room to spare.

Crazier things have happened, so maybe this team can get on some kind of roll in St. Louis. It's the only chance left.
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Correct. Which makes these "our fan base doesn't deserve better" posts so dumb. There's only a very little bit of schadenfreude directed at our own fans I'm going to tolerate...
 
seebell said:
We shot 61% from the foul line. 18 for 31. Ball game.
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👆🏼👆🏼👆🏼👆🏼This. Enough said.
 
CrimsonProf said:
The problem is with our fan base - not the coach or the players. As a rule we tend to lose interest if we're not winning 22+ games every year and everyone starts waxing poetic about how Wimp and CM woulda done it.


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Our fan base doesn't fail to box out or miss free throws or shoot 20% or insert all of our continual shortcomings here. I don't think it is our fans' fault that this team has underachieved. Put a good product on the floor, and I guarantee Coleman will have plenty of sell-outs and will be rocking. Put a mediocre product on the floor, and only a few people will show up. I've been in Coleman many times through the years for both basketball and gymnastics, and many other Bama fans were there with me. We all still hope and cheer even when we stink, but when a great product is on the floor, Bama fans will be there.
 
I'm not sure fans expected a 22 win season,heck we were giddy thinking about a 19 or 20 win season and just going to the tournament. That's not a very unreasonable expectation and I think the fanbase has been patient over the years.
 
TIDE-HSV said:
Well, we'll have at least another year to see how it proves out, in any case. I'll admit that I'm just a bit dispirited right now, after the early season expectations...
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Having watched Avery coach in Dallas, things won’t change/work with him leading the show. Therefore, is it smart to put off the inevitable another year OR, do we make the move now? I’d hate to be Byrne b/c if he makes the move, he has to be sure he can get a big name coach. Not sure one is out there at this time. Would a Greg Marshall leave Wichita? Doubtful at best.... Would Chris Mack leave Xavier? Again, why would he to coach BAMA? Kentucky, or Florida, YES! BAMA, no...

Then again, keeping the status quo means we are that much further removed from our last tournament bid! I know we’ve recruited much better under CAJ, just at a loss for why it doesn’t show up on the court! Frustrating but, all we can do is say ROLL TIDE and support the guys!
 
It should not be unrealistic for fans to exepect around 20 wins every season and a tournament bid every couple of years. And actually make some noise in the tournament every so often.This team has way to much talent to be playing like this. Rebounding is really all about hustle and it and free throw shooting (which can be improved with practice) have both been atrocious this season. So they are basically getting out hustled and apparently dont want to practice free throws, which have both cost them games.Like I mentioned before I think A very can coach but college is not the NBA. He needs to change philosophy or hit the door it is pretty simple.I don't place all the blame squarely on him because he is not the one out there getting out hustled or missing free throws but he is,the coach and it ultimately does fall back on him.
 
WylieTexasTider said:
Having watched Avery coach in Dallas, things won’t change/work with him leading the show. Therefore, is it smart to put off the inevitable another year OR, do we make the move now? I’d hate to be Byrne b/c if he makes the move, he has to be sure he can get a big name coach. Not sure one is out there at this time. Would a Greg Marshall leave Wichita? Doubtful at best.... Would Chris Mack leave Xavier? Again, why would he to coach BAMA? Kentucky, or Florida, YES! BAMA, no...

Then again, keeping the status quo means we are that much further removed from our last tournament bid! I know we’ve recruited much better under CAJ, just at a loss for why it doesn’t show up on the court! Frustrating but, all we can do is say ROLL TIDE and support the guys!
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I would give him one more year and let him know that he will be fired unless he makes the tournament. Avery is paid the 15th highest salary of all NCAA basketball coaches. So far, he's been a horrible hire for how much we pay him.

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