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Politics: The Trump Impeachment Thread

CharminTide said:
It was never going to be a smoking gun. The whistleblower mentioned multiple conversations, and this one is removed from all context. Congress needs to hear the entire complaint, and the context is what the administration is illegally hiding.
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it's interesting to watch the spin/damage control evolve in the wake of this story. it's very similar to what happened with the mueller report (he was totally exonerated). we are now seeing the "he was exonerated" part being pushed far and wide. albeit with more concern than when it happened with the mueller report.
 
GrayTide said:
So the Senate voted unanimously in support of the House requiring the White House to furnish the full, un-redacted, whistleblower report to Congress. While that is encouraging; something smells fishy about this. Why would the Senate Republicans willingly cooperate in this matter? They must know that the report is not as damning as the media and most Democrats believe it to be. McConnell and his cronies are not stupid, they obviously know something the Democrats don't know and so does Trump.
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crimsonaudio said:
Hadn't thought about the repubs playing along for this reason - what if the doc is nothing? What if this is all an elaborate setup to cut the dems off at the knees?

If the dems are right, this will effectively end his presidency. But if they're wrong, this will effectively give Trump 2020.
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selmaborntidefan said:
If what was a trap set by the GOP?

Getting Pelosi to begin impeachment proceedings?

Or getting Trump to be stupid?


Or what?

(I'm sorry, I'm just not understanding the context of your post).
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If it exists, the “trap” is the elaborate setup. It implies that Trump and cronies are giving the Dems something to be suspicious about while Trump knows he has done nothing wrong. The end result is the Dems wind up with egg on their face and Trump proves to the American people it has indeed been a witch hunt all along.
 
Go Bama said:
If it exists, the “trap” is the elaborate setup. It implies that Trump and cronies are giving the Dems something to be suspicious about while Trump knows he has done nothing wrong. The end result is the Dems wind up with egg on their face and Trump proves to the American people it has indeed been a witch hunt all along.
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That would be a good plan, although it presumes a level of strategery that I don't think exists. We'll find out eventually.
 
jthomas666 said:
He explicitly asked a foreign power to investigate a political rival.
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He explicitly asked a foreign power to look into the actions of an American who happens to be a political rival.

Again...does the President have to ignore potential foreign interference if the person bragging about it happens to be running for President? There's no quid pro quo. Are we tying a President's hands?
 
TrueCrimson7 said:
He explicitly asked a foreign power to look into the actions of an American who happens to be a political rival.

Again...does the President have to ignore potential foreign interference if the person bragging about it happens to be running for President? There's no quid pro quo. Are we tying a President's hands?
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Pretty weak defense, IMO. Like I said, we need to hear the context of these comments. We already know that this conversation occurred very soon after Trump halted millions in aid from reaching Ukraine, and we really, really need to know more about that.

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TrueCrimson7 said:
He explicitly asked a foreign power to look into the actions of an American who happens to be a political rival.

Again...does the President have to ignore potential foreign interference if the person bragging about it happens to be running for President? There's no quid pro quo. Are we tying a President's hands?
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there was no potential foreign interference. that was established a few years back when this same conspiracy theory was being pushed and ultimately got debunked
 
Respectfully, this is all viewed in the prism of what you want the outcome to be. And there's not much anyone can do to convince the other. This seems like Kavanaugh all over again. Dems could not get 50 senators to oust his nomination. It is doubtful they will get the 2/3 majority to oust Trump so far.

I'm open to more info as it comes out.
 
TrueCrimson7 said:
Respectfully, this is all viewed in the prism of what you want the outcome to be. And there's not much anyone can do to convince the other. This seems like Kavanaugh all over again. Dems could not get 50 senators to oust his nomination. It is doubtful they will get the 2/3 majority to oust Trump so far.

I'm open to more info as it comes out.
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i am viewing it through the prism of the fact that this conspiracy theory that is the basis of "trump was legitimately looking into potential corruption" is known bs. i know the true believers will be repeating this along with "no quid pro quo" until the cows come home. but, so far, it doesn't seem to be gaining much traction.

and for the record, i am under no illusion that the senate will ever vote to remove him from office.
 
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CharminTide said:
That would be a good plan, although it presumes a level of strategery that I don't think exists. We'll find out eventually.
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The Democrats have promised free education, debt foregiveness, free health care and a whole lot more. Meanwhile the Republicans have promised to take all that away and still hold the Senate and the white house. I think the Republicans are good at stategy.
 
92tide said:
i am viewing it through the prism of the fact that this conspiracy theory that is the basis of "trump was legitimately looking into potential corruption" is known bs. i know the true believers will be repeating this along with "no quid pro quo" until the cows come home. but, so far, it doesn't seem to be gaining much traction.

and for the record, i am under no illusion that the senate will ever vote to remove him from office.
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If Trump had established any kind of credibility of being honest I might consider giving him the benefit of the doubt. He's done just the opposite.
 
CharminTide said:
That would be a good plan, although it presumes a level of strategery that I don't think exists. We'll find out eventually.
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I think you're selling trump short; while I don't think he's very intelligent, this isn't some brilliant plan - a middle-school-aged kid could have come up with this.

And it's only clever if it works, time will tell if that's the case. Lots of things could come up in an investigation...

Once again, I just floated the idea as it crossed my mind (that this might be a ruse). Though the fact that it's not incredibly clever and that there likely isn't enough there to make the voters favor impeachment makes me wonder...
 
So, given that Trump has just publicly implicated AG Barr in this Ukraine mess, why hasn't Barr recused himself from this investigation? He shouldn't be allowed within 100 feet of that whistleblower memo or any related evidence.
 
I read the Mueller report and thought that grounds for impeachment were pretty well outlined. I doubt that report was simply archived after Mueller’s testimony.
 
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