Putting the punter in seems to be a way to get Waddle on the field not keep him off.
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Putting the punter in seems to be a way to get Waddle on the field not keep him off.
Right. Didn't make much sense, did it? The object was the opposite - to hold Waddle on the field and create a rules violation. They may be proud of it (and I'm not surprised), but, as I said above, I know exactly why Saban reacted the way he did in his presser. I feel the same way about it...
I agree. If you add in all the other rulings, (field goal at the end of the half, the holding call on the touchdown, the lateral not called or even reviewed, the fumble not called or even reviewed, etc...) it was maddening. I'm glad he said what he said. I would have said a whole lot more. His restraint is commendable.
The last thing I think AU expected was for Alabama to have 12 players in formation on that play. They may have hoped they would have the 11 punt return players rather than the 11 normal defenders and then possibly run a play against it to try to get the first down. I assumed they were hoping to draw them offsides or call time out if it didn't work. They wouldn't need to bring their punter in for that though. They also could have planned to shift the punter into position to kick it but the illegal substitution happened first.
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Then you don't know the mentality very well.
I'm sorry, but I'm not suddenly going to think "oh, this was some sort of accidental outcome" by a team that for years has repeatedly taken fake injuries to get timeouts (OBVIOUS ones - not "well, he may or may not be"), has repeatedly violated the illegal receiver downfield rule (to the point the game had to add an official just to watch that), and paid a former player of ours to make up some charges at the very time they were going on probation for paying Eric Ramsey.
I'm sorry, but there ain't a Tide fan who alive who believes what you just said about him not thinking that.
This is where making comments about things that you are not certain about really shows us where you coming from. Gus admitted in the post game press conference that was exactly what he was trying to do. Matter of fact he had been saving that play for circumstances just like this in hopes of getting the substitution pattern confused.
Saying it was the “last†thing he wanted to do shows how “far†you are from actual knowledge of the situation.
I challenge you. Go back and watch that game from start to finish without your officiating blinders on. You cannot tell me from a fan’s perspective It was that crew’s finest hour.
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No offense taken by this lady. I cannot stand gus, and his use of plays like this just proves to me he doesn’t think he can win by lining up and just playing football.
I have a female friend about to turn 60.
She has refereed volleyball games for eons (and her daughter plays for a team on the West Coast - not Stanford).
She has taken tons of abuse through the years and is usually the first one to take up for officials, in large part because of her experience.
She was more livid via text after that game than I've heard her in 15 years. She's watched all our games since The Play That Shall Not Be Named, and
generally speaking she's cool with it all.
She said that game Saturday - which she said was an exciting and fantastic ballgame - was the worst officiated contest she'd ever seen at any level of play in any sport anywhere.
Those are not the musings of some partisan Tide fan (she's an Iowa St grad) or someone who hates officials - you can't play a game without them.
But she said that if she was over the crew that called that game on Saturday, they'd be spit canned on Sunday morning after the obligatory "come into the office."
Those are the words of someone with no axe to grind in any direction if that tells you how bad it was.
She has refereed volleyball games for eons (and her daughter plays for a team on the West Coast - not Stanford).
She has taken tons of abuse through the years and is usually the first one to take up for officials, in large part because of her experience.
She was more livid via text after that game than I've heard her in 15 years. She's watched all our games since The Play That Shall Not Be Named, and
generally speaking she's cool with it all.
She said that game Saturday - which she said was an exciting and fantastic ballgame - was the worst officiated contest she'd ever seen at any level of play in any sport anywhere.
Those are not the musings of some partisan Tide fan (she's an Iowa St grad) or someone who hates officials - you can't play a game without them.
But she said that if she was over the crew that called that game on Saturday, they'd be spit canned on Sunday morning after the obligatory "come into the office."
Those are the words of someone with no axe to grind in any direction if that tells you how bad it was.
Not only that, but he's the kind of snit that'll be sit around long after he's fired grinning and giggling with his Jack Daniels and saying, "yeah, I got my tail kicked more than I beat them, but I let me tell you about the time I really fooled that old legend. And I sat there with a straight face and denied that's what I was doing. ha ha ha!"
Oh sure. And that's the reason for the fist-pumping and celebration on the sideline. Shish!
The refs in this game should be suspended for their effort Saturday. Missed call after missed call. Bama made way more silly mistakes than a typical Saban team does, but my goodness for you to sit here and defend all these calls by this crew is ....telling.
But, referees rally around each other, I get it. I can deal with the end of the game being a trick play and Gus just getting one over on Saban.....but the other stuff, like the FG at the end of the 1st half, the no review on the catch/no catch and fumble/no fumble....eh, its too early in the morning to bother with this nonsense. If its just admitted calls were missed folks would take it better, but the constant defense of garbage calls for the sake of defending the crew just gets old.
And here is the problem with you: you ASSumed. And I will guarantee you that is the problem with all referee malfeasance, they assume. Call it like it is, like it happened, instead of inserting your opinion into the games. This is why holding is almost never called against our opponents - the refs assume we don't need the help. As if it's help anyway! Call the game correctly!
Yes, confusion of substitution pattern is exactly what he's doing. Expecting Alabama to have 12 players in formation was likely not what was specifically expected. The more likely confusion would have been Alabama doing the late sub like they did (well beyond any match-up so the official wouldn't be holding up the snap) and the returner trying to run off the field and snapping at that point to get a live ball illegal substitution. Another likely expectation would be to keep their normal kick return team out there and try to run a play if they get a favorable match-up. They could have also shifted into a scrimmage kick formation if they didn't get a good match-up and punted. It's also very likely they were going to try to draw them offsides. If none of that worked they still had a time out they could have used as the play clock expired. So confusion was definitely their goal but to expect Alabama to sub in for the kick returner and the returner to stay in formation because he doesn't hear his coaches is a very unlikely result. It's the one they got though.
We are required to have pre-game meetings with coaches before every game. One of the topics of that pregame is always unusual plays and formations. They don't always tell us everything but when they give us unusual things like this they tell us what they are hoping to accomplish because they want us prepared for it. This gives us good insight to the psyche of coaches and why they try these crazy things. Strange formations/substitutions on special teams plays are usually done to create mismatches or confuse the defense on how to cover it.
A very unlikely result? Give it a rest. It was a trick play, they got us....but that call was basically the cherry on top to the rest of that crew's horrible game. Why not go questionable call by questionable call and defend each, that's what you guys do isn't it.
As I suspected the end of half situation will likely result in a rule change. It's already in the works. The option mentioned here is similar to what I mentioned above. They may want to give the defense an option for a time out because there could be a scenario where they want another play run in hopes of getting a turnover.
https://twitter.com/SNFRules/status/1201880984632938499
https://twitter.com/SNFRules/status/1201880984632938499
The very first sentence is exact point people here are making:
“Certainly one second should never be put back on the clock after a 1st down unless the offense has a timeout. Beyond that how can replay put 2 or more back on without allowing the FG team to substitute which they never would have been able to do otherwise?â€Â
It was the EXACT reason in the 2011 South Carolina-Auburn game ended as it did. The offensive team had no timeouts. There was not, as Steve Shaw stated, “an egregious error†in timing and as the officials left the field the review the took place. There WAS NO WAY HUMANLY POSSIBLE in that situation of a live clock for the offensive team to line up and run another play before the clock expires.
His point about “2 secs†is flat idiotic. A review of the clock in the live ball situation with the offensive team without timeouts should take place only when that timing error is so egregious that it would clearly prevent the offense team from getting off a play it would normally have otherwise. Mr. Shaw in his explanation in 2011 used the example of egregious being “six seconds or moreâ€Â. That was the reason in the 2011 game it was waved off and game allowed to end.
Yet at the end of the first half of the game Saturday, Mr. Shaw’s own crew failed to apply that same logic.
As has been pointed out here numerous time, the officials inserted themselves into a situation they had no valid reason to be in.
Just saw this. Whatever.
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/a...-put-1-second-back-on-clock-during-iron-bowl/
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/a...-put-1-second-back-on-clock-during-iron-bowl/
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