COVID-19 Vaccine Issues and Poll, Part XI

Vaxxed?

  • Yes

    Votes: 12 31.6%
  • Yes - and boosted

    Votes: 21 55.3%
  • No

    Votes: 5 13.2%

  • Total voters
    38
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And new research points to 1.1 million American lives saved due to vaccinations. Without the vaccines we'd be about 2 million deaths already and with no real definite end in sight.



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A dream coronavirus vaccine is in clinical trials that, if successful, will prevent severe disease from all future coronaviruses.

There is hope, one way or the other, that things can eventually return to normal. Yes, it's likely to become endemic but with that type of vaccine - well, that would be amazing in many ways. I don't know if it could eventually apply to influenza viruses as well, but that would also be awesome.
It would wipe out about a third of head colds which are caused by coronaviruses. That along would benefit many. I haven't had a cold in over 25 years, maybe more, I can't remember the last one. That should indicate a strong immune system. At least, I hope so...
 

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I've mentioned Dr. Michael Saag from UAB here before. A voice of scientific reason who is on the local Birmingham TV stations a lot. He's a calm, reasoned and knowledgeable straight shooter. Neither a sunshine pumper nor a sky-is-falling Eeyore. He also had the virus early in the pandemic, pre-delta, and was pretty dang sick, though not hospitalized.

I've never met Dr. Saag before, but he knows what he's talking about and has my full attention and respect when he speaks.

On this morning's Good Day Alabama show on Birmingham's Fox 6, he did a fantastic job of clearing up the apparent conflicts in guidance on isolation vs. positive covid testing. Wish I could link it, but it was a TV segment. Anyway, here's what he said:

Even with the highly contagious Omicron, transmissibility is heavily concentrated in the period of time starting 12 hours before onset of symptoms, and ending 3 days after.

Note that the key point in time is onset of symptoms, NOT the point at which the person tests positive -- which could be an indeterminate period of time after symptoms present.

This is where the CDC's 5-day guidance comes from. If you're five days out from onset, and no longer experiencing symptoms, you're not in danger of transmitting to others.

The deal on positive testing, however, is misleading. If you're the requisite 5 days from onset and asymptomatic, you're still likely to test positive, and that's what's confusing the public and the talking heads.

You're testing positive because you're shedding dead virus, and it's likely you could continue to do so for 10 - 14 days. That doesn't mean you're transmissible any longer.

If you're 5 days out from onset and still experiencing symptoms, you might still be transmissible and need to continue isolation until the symptoms are gone.

Dr. Saag noted one other interesting tidbit: About half the 200 or so patients at UAB who are hospitalized and have covid are what is called "incidental" infections. Meaning they came in the hospital for something else -- car wreck, heart attack, appendectomy, whatever. As is routine for all admissions, they were tested for covid, and came up positive.

So they're not hospitalized because of covid, even though they're both in the hospital and have covid.

I wish this guy was more of a national figure. He would engender a lot more confidence from the public.
 

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Povidone Iodine (PVP-I) Oro-Nasal Spray: An Effective Shield for COVID-19 Protection for Health Care Worker (HCW), for all

SARS- CoV-2 or novel coronavirus enters in human body through nose and mouth, stays there for a while. Then binds with ACE2 receptor, enters inside cell, multiply there and manifests. Again, Polyvinyl Pyrrolidone or Povidone Iodine (PVP-I) is a strong microbicidal agent having 99.99% virucidal efficacy in its only 0.23% concentration, irrespective of all known viruses, even in SARS- CoV-2 (in vitro). An oro-nasal spray is designed to apply the PVP-I in nose and oral cavity to gain a protective layer or coating over nasal and oral mucosa, so that SARS-CoV-2 can’t bind with the ACE-2 receptor and prevent their entry inside. So, it will be effective for prevention of COVID-19. Moreover, as PVP-I has the ability for destruction of SARS-CoV-2, transmission of SARS- CoV-2 from patient will be reduced also. Thus PVP-I oro-nasal spray can act as an effective shield for COVID-19 protection for healthcare workers, for all.
US National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health
 

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I do have a VERY, VERY layman's question regarding terminology when referring to COVID19. I've noticed that non medical people refer to COVID19 as a "virus" whereas physicians and other medical people use the term "disease". Pardon the ignorance, but is it a virus or a disease, or both? 🤷‍♂️
 

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I do have a VERY, VERY layman's question regarding terminology when referring to COVID19. I've noticed that non medical people refer to COVID19 as a "virus" whereas physicians and other medical people use the term "disease". Pardon the ignorance, but is it a virus or a disease, or both? 🤷‍♂️
Covid is the name of the disease caused by the virus.

 

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Why is this so difficult??????
Because way too many people are either too lazy, or too stupid to handle anything other than binary thinking.

They like black-and-white, 1s and 0s, and LOVE specific-to-general thought processes.

We like our heroes and our villains in two dimensions, and will attack anybody who says otherwise with whatever means available.

BTW — that thinking spans the entire political and religious spectrum
 

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I guess it is inevitable getting this now. We are starting to know more and more people who are getting this that are vaxxed and boosted.

Me with my KN-95 and vaccine during the previous variants.



Omicron

 

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BTW — that thinking spans the entire political and religious spectrum
Yes, but what's funny is that saying this gets you dismissed as engaging in "both sides-ism" when, in fact, this kind of A/non-A can be found on the entire continuum. Let me turn to religion a moment.

I ran into this - literally - all across the way when it came to seminary studies. Despite attending a conservative, evangelical seminary we had this moronic idea of having to read ALL SIDES of an issue. Footnoting them. We didn't have to agree with what the author said though addressing the point was beneficial if there was enough room in the limited space we were given for papers. Some "liberal" (largely unbelieving) scholars write some of the best works that are not wrong in terms of what they conclude. In fact, as a good friend of mine points out, they will invariably come up with the orthodox Christian position being espoused by the biblical author(s), but they don't (necessarily) see any relevance to modern church life. But many of them will cover all sides of an issue even if they aren't orthodox Christians and more often than not they come up with that basic conclusion of "this is what the author meant."

Not good for some entrenched fundy Christians who take the view, "You shouldn't be reading the works of those authors." I guess they don't think folks in their congregations will ever come across those works, which might have been true in the 1940s but is insanely naive now. As lawyer Vincent Bugliosi said regarding "surprises" sprung by the opposition in a court case, I at least want to have been heard on as addressing and not afraid of the issue raised.

I read good "liberal" authors and I read others who were nothing more than fundies in the opposite direction. If only two gospels mentioned something, that meant the others were saying it didn't happen. (That whole Synoptic "how often it is mentioned relates to how true it is" is truly laughable and makes as many assumptions as the most fundamentalist right-wing Christian does).

Bear in mind I've limited my discussion here solely to Christianity. (One of the requirements to attain my degree was to attend the service of a non-Christian religion, interview someone in the "church" and record my observations/thoughts/assessment in a five-page paper. I attended a Hindu church, and I'm not going to even pretend this made me any sort of expert on the religion, but I certainly had more ground for my views than someone who never went - and who has no earthly idea how many offshoots within the Christian church actually are a Christianized form of Hinduism). I had a pleasant visit with one individual there, and while he knew where I was coming from and I was learning where he was, I wasn't there to call fire down from heaven on the congregation, either.

Amusing anecdote: when I asked the instructor of my class if it was okay to do a paper on Scientology - I liked the fact nobody in the history of his class had done this - he said they were very "tight" and I would be fortunate to even make it in the front door at best. I tried, but they never returned my call after promising to do so.

Maybe it goes back to the maxim, "Thinking is hard, which is why so few people ever do it."


I've had the misfortune of a steady diet of Faux News this week at my folks' and listening to this I'm like, "All anyone had to do was pay attention to know they're splitting hairs or misrepresenting." I don't think I've heard one statement that is a "fact" that didn't remove some important qualifiers that change the story. In other words, yes, there are facts, but they're distorted through a prism.
 
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