COVID-19 Vaccine Issues and Poll, Part XI

[Jon]

I dunno, at this point vax status seems to have little to do with whether or not one is infected.

I find it ironic that they are fighting the steps to mitigate the disease and its effects not that they are trying to prevent infection a disease that these two now have because they are against steps to mitigate.

 

[crimbru]

QAnon Star Who Said Only ‘Idiots’ Get Vax Dies of COVID

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The last few paragraphs are frightening.

 

[GrayTide]

SMH

 

[crimsonaudio]

I find it ironic that they are fighting the steps to mitigate the disease and its effects not that they are trying to prevent infection a disease that these two now have because they are against steps to mitigate.

I don't know that I'd characterize their actions as 'fighting the steps to mitigate the disease and its effects' - there are lots of people who are pro-vaccine yet anti-mandate.

I believe that if every American would exercise daily it would benefit every single person (improve overall health and mobility, reduce our shared healthcare costs, etc). There would be virtually no downside to forcing people to exercise daily, but that doesn't mean I think it should be mandated.

 

[crimsonaudio]

The last few paragraphs are frightening.

Just unbelievable. Not only willfully ignorant, but now literally threatening those who are not.

 

[B1GTide]

QAnon Star Who Said Only ‘Idiots’ Get Vax Dies of COVID

YoutubeA leading QAnon promoter who urged both her followers and strangers she passed on the street not to take the COVID vaccine died Thursday of the coronavirus, making her just the latest vaccine opponent killed by the disease.Cirsten Weldon had amassed tens of thousands of followers across...

www.yahoo.com

The last few paragraphs are frightening.

These people are cowards and not to be feared.

 

[92tide]

I don't know that I'd characterize their actions as 'fighting the steps to mitigate the disease and its effects' - there are lots of people who are pro-vaccine yet anti-mandate.

I believe that if every American would exercise daily it would benefit every single person (improve overall health and mobility, reduce our shared healthcare costs, etc). There would be virtually no downside to forcing people to exercise daily, but that doesn't mean I think it should be mandated.

that doesn't really apply here as the lack of exercise is not contagious

 

[crimsonaudio]

that doesn't really apply here as the lack of exercise is not contagious

The current vaccines don't appear to do a lot wrt contagion, either.

And while poor fitness levels aren't contagious, they do negatively impact other people.

 

[92tide]

The current vaccines don't appear to do a lot wrt contagion, either.

And while poor fitness levels aren't contagious, they do negatively impact other people.

yeah, but they do a lot to prevent serious disease and hospitalization which is the point of vaccines

 

[crimsonaudio]

yeah, but they do a lot to prevent serious disease and hospitalization which is the point of vaccines

As does exercise.

I'm not really equating the two - it's simply pointing out that one can be pro-vaccine while being anti-mandate. They aren't mutually exclusive.

 

[crimsonaudio]

These people are cowards and not to be feared.

Possibly.

 

[92tide]

As does exercise.

I'm not really equating the two - it's simply pointing out that one can be pro-vaccine while being anti-mandate. They aren't mutually exclusive.

they technically aren't mutually exclusive, you are correct.

 

[B1GTide]

As does exercise.

I'm not really equating the two - it's simply pointing out that one can be pro-vaccine while being anti-mandate. They aren't mutually exclusive.

They are not, but in this case they have been almost entirely. Covid spread for political reasons, and it is now impossible to contain. Anti-vax folks were one and the same as the anti-mandate folks in that fight. Some few exceptions cannot be allowed to skew that reality.

Had mandates been put in place - masks and then vaccine - this would have over long ago. But humans are self serving asses, so we get Delta and then Omnicron.

 

[B1GTide]

Possibly.

No, definitely. These are the same people who cry when faced with jail time. Cowards.

 

[crimsonaudio]

They are not, but in this case they have been almost entirely. Covid spread for political reasons, and it is now impossible to contain. Anti-vax folks were one and the same as the anti-mandate folks in that fight. Some few exceptions cannot be allowed to skew that reality.

Anecdotal, I guess, but I know quite a few vaccinated folks who are rabidly anti-mandate.

The 'individual spirit' is still alive and well.

Had mandates been put in place - masks and then vaccine - this would have over long ago. But humans are self serving asses, so we get Delta and then Omnicron.

Eh, maybe. That's a wild guess. We've no idea how Delta and Omicron developed or if we would have ended up with something worse.

I'm not sure we've enough vaccines to cover the planet, which is one of the reasons I believe Covid-19 is endemic and will always be here. I don't think our current vaccines are enough to combat it like we did with some other vaccines.

 

[crimsonaudio]

No, definitely. These are the same people who cry when faced with jail time. Cowards.

And the same ones who stormed the Capitol. Sure they cry when caught, but so do some murderers.

 

[B1GTide]

And the same ones who stormed the Capitol. Sure they cry when caught, but so do some murderers.

Yep, and cowards. Cowards can commit murder, and often do. I don't fear them. I do fear for our country.

 

[B1GTide]

Anecdotal, I guess, but I know quite a few vaccinated folks who are rabidly anti-mandate.

The 'individual spirit' is still alive and well.


Eh, maybe. That's a wild guess. We've no idea how Delta and Omicron developed or if we would have ended up with something worse.

I'm not sure we've enough vaccines to cover the planet, which is one of the reasons I believe Covid-19 is endemic and will always be here. I don't think our current vaccines are enough to combat it like we did with some other vaccines.

Agreed, but mask mandidates would have ended this in the US. Masks still work, even against Omnicron. We are idiots.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Agreed, but mask mandidates would have ended this in the US. Masks still work, even against Omnicron. We are idiots.

Some masks do, sure. But the masks most people are wearing aren't effective against Omicron.

But again, you'll NEVER get 100% compliance on anything, which is why the 'two weeks' has become two years. Acting as if all humans will always comply (or that all will even know to) is unrealistic. We were never going to beat this, not with masks, not with these vaccines.

We may end up with a vaccine that completely huts down the virus, but masks aren't alone were never going to solve this.

At this point, I'm happy to be vaccinated, I wish everyone was - but a mandate isn't stopping anything.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Yep, and cowards. Cowards can commit murder, and often do. I don't fear them. I do fear for our country.

I don't fear these Q-anon weirdos anymore than you do - but if they're actively doxxing doctors and nurses and threatening them, they need to be dealt with harshly - even if they're only keyboard warriors.