CFN: Florida State and the "Rigged" College Football Playoff: Daily Cavalcade

[cbi1972]

I Googled "Seminole meaning of Tallahassee"; it translated to " Land of the butt hurt crybabies"

I was in the Seminole cabin at Camp Cosby and we handled our rivalry disappointments with more dignity

 

[crimsonaudio]

That's a blast from the past.

That intro is somehow ingrained into my brain, haha

 

[hfhmilkman]

Just to be clear, I understand (I think) what you're saying. FSU in this instance is just an example, it has nothing per se to do with FSU.




That's probably a bit of an overstatement, but suffice it to say that when Purdue takes the field in September, they aren't thinking national championship. They're hoping to make a little noise, maybe upset one or two of the big boys, and get a nice bowl game nobody will watch.




Except TCU got in the playoffs last year without even winning a conference championship, which we were all assured was an important accomplishment. Don't get me wrong, I think a conference championship requirement is cumbersome anyway, nor do I fault them or the committee. But it was kind of amusing to hear years prior to the playoff how important it was, and it only took them 3 years to go Emily Litella ("Never mind!").



But TCU has hovered around the periphery for years. They completed an unbeaten season in 2010 with a Rose Bowl win and then were ranked #3 heading into the final game in 2014. TCU may not be Alabama, but they're not Iowa State or Cal, either.



Much like with the "let's set aside these bowl games and have a playoff," we have to remember it's not actually that simple even if we'd like it to be.



If Mississippi State can go through an SEC schedule unbeaten or with one loss and win the conference championship game, I'm 100% sure they would make a four-team playoff. The problem is they just don't have the resources, recruits, or realistic chance of this happening. What they did in 2014 - particularly for that school - was nothing short of incredible. But we also saw what happened when they were in a pressure cooker every week. Eventually - and far too early - it blew them apart.



They have a chance - in the sense that if they:
a) schedule some decent foes
b) win football games
c) have a few breaks

they can at least be in the tournament. Cincinnati pulled it off and so did TCU.

I wouldn't put Florida State in the same category myself, not that you are.



Except the brutal realities were:
a) TCU was in more by process of elimination than anything else
b) The refs hosed Michigan, and I'm not one who makes that argument, but they did
c) TCU showed the limits of Cinderella - she can get to the ball, but the carriage always turns back into a pumpkin when the clock strikes midnight



Quite frankly, a sport I've followed for 46 years I find more detestable by the day.
And for some reasons tangential to what you cite.

I will not say I find college football getting detestable yet. I will say I am alarmed. Klatt says we are entering a golden age. In some ways I see this last year as perhaps the last hurrah.

I just watched the Giants beat the red hot Packers. The Titans beat the former #1 seed Dolphins. I saw Cincinnati with a nobody at QB beat the playoff bound Jags. And lastly the sad sack Bears spanked the first place Lions. I just question why bureaucrats are in charge of seeding. When the point of competition is for us to be surprised.

 

[Krymsonman]

FSU had a 55th ranked SOS.
There are only 65 P5 teams.

It's like saying if I beat up Children and never lose, I am more deserving to a title fight against a heavyweight than a fighter with a couple of l's on his record. The whole undefeated argument never made sense to me.

I did not realize that there are only 65 P5 teams. I was thinking 55th out of 128 or so. 55th out of 65 teams brings a whole new light to that ranking.

 

[Krymsonman]

Michigan Fan, it was somewhere on one of these threads.

Well, that would explain it. Michigan would much rather play a lame-duck FSU, than BAMA.

 

[Krymsonman]

Florida AG launches investigation into CFP’s exclusion of FSU: ‘I know injustice when I see it’

What are they expecting to uncover, and what are they hoping to achieve here? Have the Florida politicians not got any actual work to do? If I were the CFP committee, I'd ban all Florida teams from ever making the playoff after this over reaction.

Shoot, if I'm a life-long Gator as she says, I be sitting back quietly chuckling to myself. If this happened to the Barn, I'd be laughing out loud all day long.

 

[hfhmilkman]

Why are you whining about this, this year? Most college teams who were willing to schedule good competition have had a chance at their "dream". They were not guaranteed a spot, as there were only 4, but they had a legitimate chance, according to how the season played out. FSU, even as they are currently constituted, would have made it many years, but this year was an anomaly, with chalk holding the last 6 or so weeks of the season. Next year, conferences that IMO, have no business in a playoff are guaranteed a spot and your egalitarian dreams will be fulfilled to some degree.

You've not declared your allegiance to this point, but my guess is that you are someone who does not care for Alabama, and this year's development has provoked your caring sentimentality. Your logic is IMO, deeply flawed.

This is not a rigged system, except in the sense that it leans in favor of merit, as it should, thus the best programs usually prevail.

The best programs do not always prevail. The point of competition is the best do not always win. If this were about the best programs the final four should be Alabama, Georgia, OSU, and FSU. If FSU is a swear word replace with Texas or Washington. I watched the Georgia<>Bama game. Bowers and McConkey were shadows of themselves. I think Georgia would do just fine in a rematch with both fully healed. FSU would be just fine with their 2nd string QB throwing jump balls to Coleman. OSU would have beaten Georgia last year if Harrison Jr was not knocked of the game. OSU just happened to play team a completely calibrated for beating them this year. OSU has significantly more football talent than Michigan. The first Michigan pick in the 2024 draft might be in the bottom of the 2nd round. Regardless of the results on the field, OSU is the better program and better suited for winning a playoff game in a sunny clime or in a domed stadium. I would argue of all the teams OSU is built best to win a college playoff game. With a month to prepare, these games shootouts. OSU is the team that can win a game 50 to 40. Marvin Harrison Jr is deity among ants. Which where the NFL has the leg up on college football. No TV executive could tell Nick Foles, that the Eagles were being replaced in the playoffs with a more competitive team because he looked so bad the last two games of the regular season.

But I am getting off base. I don't mind if the best teams get in. I stated from the beginning of this thread college football has never been about fair. I'm saying if we want college football to remain as is, the illusion of fair needs to remain even if we chortle that it is not. Keep going with things the way they are and college will become minor league NFL. Perhaps that is the product that you want. FSU is going to be least of the problems.

 

[CajunCrimson]

The best programs do not always prevail. The point of competition is the best do not always win. If this were about the best programs the final four should be Alabama, Georgia, OSU, and FSU. If FSU is a swear word replace with Texas or Washington. I watched the Georgia<>Bama game. Bowers and McConkey were shadows of themselves. I think Georgia would do just fine in a rematch with both fully healed. FSU would be just fine with their 2nd string QB throwing jump balls to Coleman. OSU would have beaten Georgia last year if Harrison Jr was not knocked of the game. OSU just happened to play team a completely calibrated for beating them this year. OSU has significantly more football talent than Michigan. The first Michigan pick in the 2024 draft might be in the bottom of the 2nd round. Regardless of the results on the field, OSU is the better program and better suited for winning a playoff game in a sunny clime or in a domed stadium. I would argue of all the teams OSU is built best to win a college playoff game. With a month to prepare, these games shootouts. OSU is the team that can win a game 50 to 40. Marvin Harrison Jr is deity among ants. Which where the NFL has the leg up on college football. No TV executive could tell Nick Foles, that the Eagles were being replaced in the playoffs with a more competitive team because he looked so bad the last two games of the regular season.

But I am getting off base. I don't mind if the best teams get in. I stated from the beginning of this thread college football has never been about fair. I'm saying if we want college football to remain as is, the illusion of fair needs to remain even if we chortle that it is not. Keep going with things the way they are and college will become minor league NFL. Perhaps that is the product that you want. FSU is going to be least of the problems.

I’m sensing you have an agenda no one seems to care about. Let’s move on to something else. College football has always been run by blue bloods and mini dynasties. Always.

occasionally an upstart comes in, has a short-lived run, and then back to the pack. We’ve seen it with Tennessee, Florida, Clemson, LSU, and now Washington and Georgia. They will return to the pack. And new ones will emerge.

Efforts to bring parity with NIL and Portal will work in the short term and give life to teams like FSU, Ole Miss, Oregon, Miami, etc. but it’s just for the short term.

Elite programs will adjust and thrive. Upstarts will have their moments and then return. Some Vintage Blue Bloods will nearly disappear.

Bama and Georgia just played the highest viewed/rated game in over a decade. And it was because it pitted The Emperor battling Vader.

Blue bloods and dynasties will continue to rule, and the game will survive. Parity is boring.

 

[92tide]

+1 for calling georgia an upstart

 

[crimsonaudio]

Florida AG launches investigation into CFP’s exclusion of FSU: ‘I know injustice when I see it’

What are they expecting to uncover, and what are they hoping to achieve here? Have the Florida politicians not got any actual work to do? If I were the CFP committee, I'd ban all Florida teams from ever making the playoff after this over reaction.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

+1 for calling georgia an upstart

What has been the "feel" in dawg country since they were brought back down to earth in the SECG?

 

[colbysullivan]

The NFL comparison is flawed because the talent gap between teams across the league is razor thin and you're only dealing with 32 teams, not 125. It is much easier to get to "fair" with 32 teams rather than 125 teams where the talent gap from conference to conference is so far apart.

“Flawed” is an understatement. The comparison holds absolutely no water whatsoever but people continue to use it. The NFL exists an an entity SPECIFICALLY because of football. Every decision regarding the league revolves around football. Most of the teams play each other.

College athletics, on the other hand, is an entirely different thing. 32 teams vs 133. The teams can’t possibly all play each other. Some of these colleges have existed literally HUNDREDS of years longer than others. And that is the entire point of college football. It’s not supposed to be fair. People just don’t get it. When we say “They’re entirely different sports”, we mean it. If one thinks Liberty and Bama are even playing the same sport, then I don’t know what to tell them. They’re never gonna get it.

 

[92tide]

What has been the "feel" in dawg country since they were brought back down to earth in the SECG?

they have been very quiet, at least the folks i interact with. i don’t follow sports media, so i’m not sure how they are handling it. i think we may have actually taught them to behave 🤣😆

 

[The Ols]

What has been the "feel" in dawg country since they were brought back down to earth in the SECG?

They’re still angry…actually really angry.
It’s wonderful!!!🤣

 

[JustNeedMe81]

They’re still angry…actually really angry.
It’s wonderful!!!🤣

I'm speechless that they're angry and know that it won't change a thing.

 

[CrimsonBloodn62]

I'm speechless that they're angry and know that it won't change a thing.

I'd be tickled if FSU beat Georgia. FSU is not making the playoffs no matter what now, so who cares if they think they belong or not? This is why I can laugh at both of them being mad if FSU wins.

 

[BamaMoon]

they have been very quiet, at least the folks i interact with. i don’t follow sports media, so i’m not sure how they are handling it. i think we may have actually taught them to behave 🤣😆

I've got a friend who had a Rottweiler but he trained it to be gentle as a Poodle. He said when a Rottweiler is a pup you have to hold them down by the neck and stand over them and growl and teach them YOU are the alpha male. You do it long enough and they are trained to see you as their master and they'll beckon to your call.

I think that's what we might have done to Georgia in the SECCG!!! 😁

 

[crimsonaudio]

I'd be tickled if FSU beat Georgia. FSU is not making the playoffs no matter what now, so who cares if they think they belong or not? This is why I can laugh at both of them being mad if FSU wins.

How tickled would you be if one of the voting groups (say, the AP) awarded FSU the championship rather than Bama? Would you laugh aloud at the fact that Bama's NC would have an asterisk beside it forever?

2017 was enough for me, I don't want anything detracting from what the REAL national champion accomplishes.

Therefore I want UGA to CRUSH FSU so there's no doubt.

 

[CajunCrimson]

How tickled would you be if one of the voting groups (say, the AP) awarded FSU the championship rather than Bama? Would you laugh aloud at the fact that Bama's NC would have an asterisk beside it forever?

2017 was enough for me, I don't want anything detracting from what the REAL national champion accomplishes.

Therefore I want UGA to CRUSH FSU so there's no doubt.

I sure would hope that the AP had more class than that, especially since no one really believes that they would’ve won had they gotten in

 

[crimsonaudio]

I sure would hope that the AP had more class than that, especially since no one really believes that they would’ve won had they gotten in

I agree, but why even hope for the chance?