CFN: Florida State and the "Rigged" College Football Playoff: Daily Cavalcade

[Bill from NYC]

If you take the Rivals 247 talent index and graph on FEI's win differential, the four best teams are Alabama #1, Georgia #2, OSU #3 but barely behind Georgia, and Texas #4.

If you use Rivals 247 as the only marker for predicting a win, Alabama will route Michigan and Texas will route Washington. Alabama will decisively beat Texas. Georgia and OSU are the only teams that on paper can match Alabama.

Poor Texas A&M had the 4th best talent index in the country. They unfortunately have an FEI differential of -4.

In what order do you think that the 4 starting quarterbacks rank?

 

[Bill from NYC]

FSU might also lose a head to head comparison to Ohio State

Agreed.

 

[crimsonaudio]

People need to remember that this is just a game.

To the fans, yes.

As CFB is a multi-billion dollar entertainment product, we need to understand that there are powerful people involved in decision-making that care only about numbers, as numbers translate into dollars. And some of those don't really care about the sport, they see it as an opportunity to make more money - whatever they can do to increase revenue is what they seek. If it's good for the sport, yay, if not, they don't really care.

The people pushing for NFL-like change are those who don't care about the game, which is generally all we fans care about.

 

[mdb-tpet]

To the fans, yes.

As CFB is a multi-billion dollar entertainment product, we need to understand that there are powerful people involved in decision-making that care only about numbers, as numbers translate into dollars. And some of those don't really care about the sport, they see it as an opportunity to make more money - whatever they can do to increase revenue is what they seek. If it's good for the sport, yay, if not, they don't really care.

The people pushing for NFL-like change are those who don't care about the game, which is generally all we fans care about.

I agree that the more money there is sloshing around in the sport, the more the sport will get distorted by profiteering and those who primarily see more potential for more money.

But on the contrary, I want to see the sport smaller, less about money, and more focused on the colleges and the college experience. It also hurts the game when the the students are stuck in the upper deck so the wine and cheese crowd can sit slightly closer to the the field. I don't know where the balance is between generating/focusing on money, but college football sure seems to be careening off of the rails right now toward being just a business. That's fine if that's what we all want, but I will slowly lose interest. Maybe we'll have to make a salary cap for college students and coaches...ok, I'm just wandering off topic here too much.

 

[mdb-tpet]

SIAP: But Anti-trust investigation? Really? There are so many more important things to investigate in this coutry which ARE violations of the Anti-trust act, such as Google/Android/Play, Facebook/Instagram, Spotify/musicians, etc.

Florida starts FSU playoff snub antitrust investigation: What does it mean? What is ESPN’s role?

Is this a good use of the state’s time and money? Politicians have argued yes.

www.al.com

 

[TideEngineer08]

SIAP: But Anti-trust investigation? Really? There are so many more important things to investigate in this coutry which ARE violations of the Anti-trust act, such as Google/Android/Play, Facebook/Instagram, Spotify/musicians, etc.

Florida starts FSU playoff snub antitrust investigation: What does it mean? What is ESPN’s role?

Is this a good use of the state’s time and money? Politicians have argued yes.

www.al.com

This is sadly where we are at as a society today. They will burn it all down eventually.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I agree that the more money there is sloshing around in the sport, the more the sport will get distorted by profiteering and those who primarily see more potential for more money.

But on the contrary, I want to see the sport smaller, less about money, and more focused on the colleges and the college experience. It also hurts the game when the the students are stuck in the upper deck so the wine and cheese crowd can sit slightly closer to the the field. I don't know where the balance is between generating/focusing on money, but college football sure seems to be careening off of the rails right now toward being just a business. That's fine if that's what we all want, but I will slowly lose interest. Maybe we'll have to make a salary cap for college students and coaches...ok, I'm just wandering off topic here too much.

You'll find this on the same aisle as bigfoot and the unicorn.

 

[mdb-tpet]

You'll find this on the same aisle as bigfoot and the unicorn.

Oh, I know I'm so far off base here that I'm playing in the wrong sport, wrong league, maybe even the wrong solar system...

 

[JayBama_in_PCOLA]

Where were all this politicians last season when Bama didn’t make it? Oh yeah, it doesn’t benefit them when the truth isn’t on their side. Integrity is always made known when the going gets tough.

 

[cbi1972]

You'll find this on the same aisle as bigfoot and the unicorn.

Oh, I know I'm so far off base here that I'm playing in the wrong sport, wrong league, maybe even the wrong solar system...

Intramurals, Division II/III sports

 

[selmaborntidefan]

The director of the College Football Playoff has basically told Rick Scott to go pluck a duck.

 

[Krymsonman]

The director of the College Football Playoff has basically told Rick Scott to go pluck a duck.

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Nice letter, with two of the major criteria for selection, which I'm sure will be ignored by the FSU gurus.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Nice letter, with two of the major criteria for selection, which I'm sure will be ignored by the FSU gurus.

I don't know if they are really stupid as they sound or if they're just that pretentious.

They're whining on Twitter tonight that strength the schedule only matters if both teams are undefeated or the same record.

That has never been how strength of schedule worked.

 

[HighlandOak]

SIAP: But Anti-trust investigation? Really? There are so many more important things to investigate in this coutry which ARE violations of the Anti-trust act, such as Google/Android/Play, Facebook/Instagram, Spotify/musicians, etc.

Florida starts FSU playoff snub antitrust investigation: What does it mean? What is ESPN’s role?

Is this a good use of the state’s time and money? Politicians have argued yes.

www.al.com

Exactly.

 

[BamaInBham]

The best programs do not always prevail. The point of competition is the best do not always win. If this were about the best programs the final four should be Alabama, Georgia, OSU, and FSU. If FSU is a swear word replace with Texas or Washington. I watched the Georgia<>Bama game. Bowers and McConkey were shadows of themselves. I think Georgia would do just fine in a rematch with both fully healed. FSU would be just fine with their 2nd string QB throwing jump balls to Coleman. OSU would have beaten Georgia last year if Harrison Jr was not knocked of the game. OSU just happened to play team a completely calibrated for beating them this year. OSU has significantly more football talent than Michigan. The first Michigan pick in the 2024 draft might be in the bottom of the 2nd round. Regardless of the results on the field, OSU is the better program and better suited for winning a playoff game in a sunny clime or in a domed stadium. I would argue of all the teams OSU is built best to win a college playoff game. With a month to prepare, these games shootouts. OSU is the team that can win a game 50 to 40. Marvin Harrison Jr is deity among ants. Which where the NFL has the leg up on college football. No TV executive could tell Nick Foles, that the Eagles were being replaced in the playoffs with a more competitive team because he looked so bad the last two games of the regular season.

But I am getting off base. I don't mind if the best teams get in. I stated from the beginning of this thread college football has never been about fair. I'm saying if we want college football to remain as is, the illusion of fair needs to remain even if we chortle that it is not. Keep going with things the way they are and college will become minor league NFL. Perhaps that is the product that you want. FSU is going to be least of the problems.

That's why I said, "This is not a rigged system, except in the sense that it leans in favor of merit, as it should, thus the best programs usually prevail.". I didn't say always prevail.

IMO, the NFL is no more likely to crown the best NFL team than college. Were the NYG better than NE in '08' or '12'? No, but they were the champs. There are other examples.

At least the CFPC evaluates the whole year and considers factors which the NFL does not, such as the fact that is some sports some inequities must be addressed such as dramtically varying SOSs (like 55 vs 5). Frankly, the best team is frequently not crowned in many mature US sports. Somebody gets hot, or conversely, teams get key injuries, or a break occurs and things start snowballing psychologically, etc. FSU was part of formulating the CFP rules, knew them going in and signed off on them. Their sense of disappointment is understandable and any rational person can sympathize, but they don't have a leg to stand on legally or morally.

Your "sympathy" with them, assuming you are sincere or don't consciously or subconsciously resent Alabama, is simply misguided in terms of the "dream" being lost. It's no different today than is was a month ago. Although I can't read your mind, IMO, you, and others, just don't like who benefitted this year. And your resentment is pretty strong because you keep spilling a lot of beans on the beneficiary's msg board, the most unlikely place you are to find sympathy. But I could be wrong, it may be that you have such high regard for the character and analytical abilities of the Alabama fan base, that you have come seeking their support for your egalitarian leanings.

 

[BamaInBham]

The insane thing is. It's not like they can make anything change. What exactly is the end goal of all this??? Change is already going to happen next year with the 12-team playoff. Is the committee even going to be the same people next year?

IMO, it's nothing more than political opportunism by the politicians and understandable disappointment by FSU fans and administration, with the FSU brass showing surprising emotional immaturity. Fan rage is understandable though IMO, overboard, admin rage - ridiculous and unfortunate. Some others in the college football world and sports in general, are simply irritated, even to the point of despair, about who the beneficiary is (e.g., Booger).

 

[BamaInBham]

I still have whiplash when we get the benefit of the doubt, even though it's been going on for nearly 15 years now.

A pleasant development has been that Alabama has usually justified that benefit of the doubt - e.g., 2011 and 2017.

 

[BamaInBham]

You are going to have to elaborate on what I say is not true or what I am nuancing. I restate from the beginning. I have had concerns about the state of college football since 2017. I saw a thread discussing. What you call butthurt I call prescient. College football is/was special. The chances that accelerating are going to take away what I believe makes it special. I am not nuanced in the slightest. The system of course what it is. My concern is that its changing for the worse.

What was the problem in 2017? I wonder if there is a common thread - we await your answer. My guess is that you will dance around the truth, but please show us our error.

I may have missed it, but did you tell us who you pull for or are you one of those "college football fans" concerned only with the health of the sport, of course.

 

[BamaInBham]

You are going to have to elaborate on what I say is not true or what I am nuancing. I restate from the beginning. I have had concerns about the state of college football since 2017. I saw a thread discussing. What you call butthurt I call prescient. College football is/was special. The chances that accelerating are going to take away what I believe makes it special. I am not nuanced in the slightest. The system of course what it is. My concern is that its changing for the worse.

Oh, it IS changing for the worse - but not for the reasons that you are stating and are possibly implying.

 

[BamaInBham]

You'll find this on the same aisle as bigfoot and the unicorn.

Well stated - true and pithy. I literally laughed out loud . Not a rare occasion when I'm on the internet.