Alabama QBs in 2024

[B1GTide]

I think he wasn't given a fair chance by the team.

I agree, but there might have been other valid reasons for that of which we can only guess.

 

[landonew]

You are correct in that he was only given a half of football to show anything in a game that was already off the rails.
But in that half of football he led us to 2 TD drives and had a couple of good runs, threw passes (and completed them) that JM couldn't complete all season.
Thus, he was not really given a chance, in my opinion.

Yea man, I'm a big TS fan. He was given a chance. Look, 99% of the competition was conducted in closed door practices. Just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it's not fair. If TS felt he wasn't given a chance, he wouldn't be returning with no expectation to start.

In terms of JM's throws. JM made a lot of excellent throws this season. He was not as consistent as we'd have preferred, and he needs to improve in some areas which have been discussed in great detail. We need to also remember that he was responsible for 35 TDs and 3600 yds of total offense, negating loss yds on sacks. Without loss sack yards, he was our leading rusher. And he made some exceptional plays in some very big moments throughout the season.

I agree he needs to continue improving. However, the fact of it is JM is not getting a fair shake on Tidefans right now. The general tone of the criticism against him is, as an alumni, very disheartening has a tone of entitlement. We should be very thankful for another great season, which included an SECC and trip to the CFP. There's going to come a time when CNS leaves, and we don't have "next year" to look forward to. Do we really want to look back, and have our memories littered with negativity and bitterness over CNS's coaching decisions?

 

[AlexanderFan]

If Milroe didn’t pull the trigger on these middle of the field passes when he was firmly entrenched as the starter, what makes anyone think he will pull the trigger when he’s battling for the job?

There’s also the outside chance Milroe receives a favorable draft grade and goes to the NFL. Arnold planned on returning, until he received that input.

 

[irvingtontide]

No. Coaches saw him daily in practice and scrimmages and he was found wanting. Do you actually believe he wasn't given a fair chance by Nick Saban?

They also thought Buchner was above Ty but we seen how that played out. Let’s not act like there can’t be misses. Im going to assume you think Jalen was better than Tua.

 

[TD7]

I think he wasn't given a fair chance by the team.

I agree with you here. There was a lot of rumors on different sites from insiders, saying the team essentially quit when he Milroe was benched against USF.

 

[CrimsonEyeshade]

I agree with you here. There was a lot of rumors on different sites from insiders, saying the team essentially quit when he Milroe was benched against USF.

Insiders? Wowza. It absolutely must be true!

 

[gtgilbert]

No. Coaches saw him daily in practice and scrimmages and he was found wanting. Do you actually believe he wasn't given a fair chance by Nick Saban?

I think he wasn't given a fair chance by the team.

There very well could be something to this. Early in the competition, the message we were hearing from Saban was something along the line of; play so well in practice that I don't have a choice but to play you and; someone needs to take the role. Then it kinda flipped to 'whoever wins the team will start'.

Now that last statement isn't really saying 'the best player' or anything like that.

Like it or not, Saban does lean toward seniority, maybe more than he should at times. Why else would Dalcourt have started the first few games or 22 and 21 and be given all the chances he's been given over the last two years. in 22, as soon as DD came out, the OL was way better. Magically, that also happened as soon as Roberts got OG role over DD mid 22. Clearly we can all look at that sample of work and know that SM was a better center in 21 (at least before the snap issues this year) and that Roberts is an order of magnitude better OG (this one isn't even remotely close, the ability difference of Roberts over DD is staggering). Same for ILB in 22 - was Jalen Moody really better than Lawson or was he just older? Lawson certainly played better when he was in and it eventually became so clear he took most of the snaps toward the end of the year. maybe the same is true for Marshall and Campbell this year at ILB. Marshall was older and earned more starts, but Campbell was more productive by far.

The first statements from Saban sound like messages to Simpson - i.e. since JM has seniority, you have to prove, absolutely, positively that not only are you better, but that you are WAY better. You have to make it so obvious that there's not even a question.

The whole 'winning the locker room' and the 'team choosing the QB' was just baffling to me honestly. I get that JM is very well liked by the players. He certainly comes across as genuine, likeable and charismatic when interviewed, and is probably moreso in person. I'm sure that makes any decision to have him not get the start very difficult and makes the degree of having to be better even higher.

That said, just watch this video, starting at 29 seconds. I know it's only a few throws, but just watch how much faster all the QBs not named Milroe get the ball out. Watch everyone's footwork to see how quickly (or in one players case - how slowly) they push back into the drop or motion. Look to see if they use the correct foot to push and start the drop. Look at the length and quickness of the steps to get to the throwing platform. Watch closely how fast most of them get the ball into the right grip, with the ball in the right spot so they are ready to pass.

When JM and TS swap spots (1st and 2nd throw) the difference is crazy. TS gets the ball out over a full second faster when he's on the right v when JM is on the right. When TS is on the left, the ball is out about .4 a second faster, even though TS got the snap later and higher. On the later static throw, TS is around .8 a second faster that JM. Sayin is even .3 a second faster than JM. This difference is NOT a new thing (other than the Sayin data point). It was clear from just about every throw from practice and the scrimmages that's been public going back into spring.

Why does that matter in practice reps? Because you play like you practice, and if a player can't execute these types of things, at game speed, even when there is no pressure, it's going to be incredibly hard to increase the speed at which you try to execute them in a game.

** for the timing, I started the clock at the snap, and stopped, as best I could when the ball came out. I timed each rep for each QB 4 times, and averaged that, to try to account for any type of slowness or quickness issues with me clicking start/stop.

 

[landonew]

If Milroe didn’t pull the trigger on these middle of the field passes when he was firmly entrenched as the starter, what makes anyone think he will pull the trigger when he’s battling for the job?

There’s also the outside chance Milroe receives a favorable draft grade and goes to the NFL. Arnold planned on returning, until he received that input.

JM won't be "battling" for the QB1 position after fall camp. In other news, Vegas opened with JM as co-favorite to win the Heisman. Link. In terms of the draft -- JM makes more $$ from NIL and merch as the starting QB at Alabama than he would as an NFL rookie picked outside the first two rounds. Link.

 

[AlexanderFan]

There very well could be something to this. Early in the competition, the message we were hearing from Saban was something along the line of; play so well in practice that I don't have a choice but to play you and; someone needs to take the role. Then it kinda flipped to 'whoever wins the team will start'.

Now that last statement isn't really saying 'the best player' or anything like that.

Like it or not, Saban does lean toward seniority, maybe more than he should at times. Why else would Dalcourt have started the first few games or 22 and 21 and be given all the chances he's been given over the last two years. in 22, as soon as DD came out, the OL was way better. Magically, that also happened as soon as Roberts got OG role over DD mid 22. Clearly we can all look at that sample of work and know that SM was a better center in 21 (at least before the snap issues this year) and that Roberts is an order of magnitude better OG (this one isn't even remotely close, the ability difference of Roberts over DD is staggering). Same for ILB in 22 - was Jalen Moody really better than Lawson or was he just older? Lawson certainly played better when he was in and it eventually became so clear he took most of the snaps toward the end of the year. maybe the same is true for Marshall and Campbell this year at ILB. Marshall was older and earned more starts, but Campbell was more productive by far.

The first statements from Saban sound like messages to Simpson - i.e. since JM has seniority, you have to prove, absolutely, positively that not only are you better, but that you are WAY better. You have to make it so obvious that there's not even a question.

The whole 'winning the locker room' and the 'team choosing the QB' was just baffling to me honestly. I get that JM is very well liked by the players. He certainly comes across as genuine, likeable and charismatic when interviewed, and is probably moreso in person. I'm sure that makes any decision to have him not get the start very difficult and makes the degree of having to be better even higher.

That said, just watch this video, starting at 29 seconds. I know it's only a few throws, but just watch how much faster all the QBs not named Milroe get the ball out. Watch everyone's footwork to see how quickly (or in one players case - how slowly) they push back into the drop or motion. Look to see if they use the correct foot to push and start the drop. Look at the length and quickness of the steps to get to the throwing platform. Watch closely how fast most of them get the ball into the right grip, with the ball in the right spot so they are ready to pass.

When JM and TS swap spots (1st and 2nd throw) the difference is crazy. TS gets the ball out over a full second faster when he's on the right v when JM is on the right. When TS is on the left, the ball is out about .4 a second faster, even though TS got the snap later and higher. On the later static throw, TS is around .8 a second faster that JM. Sayin is even .3 a second faster than JM. This difference is NOT a new thing (other than the Sayin data point). It was clear from just about every throw from practice and the scrimmages that's been public going back into spring.

Why does that matter in practice reps? Because you play like you practice, and if a player can't execute these types of things, at game speed, even when there is no pressure, it's going to be incredibly hard to increase the speed at which you try to execute them in a game.

** for the timing, I started the clock at the snap, and stopped, as best I could when the ball came out. I timed each rep for each QB 4 times, and averaged that, to try to account for any type of slowness or quickness issues with me clicking start/stop.

Is 7 Sayin? He’s got a compact motion on that one throw.

 

[cbi1972]

Maybe and maybe not.
One thing is for sure. You hit a wide open receiver or two and kill the clock instead of missing the wide open receivers and we for sure win.

Other things are equally certain, and of no less impact, such as having time to throw improving accuracy

 

[RammerJammer14]

Is 7 Sayin? He’s got a compact motion on that one throw.

He also looks like a High Schooler 😉

 

[AlexanderFan]

JM won't be "battling" for the QB1 position after fall camp. In other news, Vegas opened with JM as co-favorite to win the Heisman. Link. In terms of the draft -- JM makes more $$ from NIL and merch as the starting QB at Alabama than he would as an NFL rookie picked outside the first two rounds. Link.

Wasn’t he also a top 15 pick this year?

You may not be superstitious, but you might need to be a little stitious because everything you’ve predicted has gone terribly wrong when it comes to discussing Jalen Milroe. No National title this year, played a terrible game, and his draft stock plummeted.

 

[AlexanderFan]

He also looks like a High Schooler 😉

After watching so many open receivers not get the ball I don’t care if it’s the fax cam girl that’s out there hitting slants and checkdowns.

 

[Tidelines]

And you know this how?
He was allowed to play one half of football, in which he made some really good throws AND ran the ball well, so in reality was not really ever given a chance.
Say what you will but Simpson is absolutely a better passer and the better qb in the mental game.
But for whatever reason the team chosae lank instead of being able to read defenses and make good throws.

I'm still ticked-off at Jase M for his effort on a block attempt in the USF game ( that was all it was, an attempt. ) Let's just say there was no team effort that day.

 

[Tidetwin]

They also thought Buchner was above Ty but we seen how that played out. Let’s not act like there can’t be misses. Im going to assume you think Jalen was better than Tua.

I think there is a difference between fairness and accuracy when it comes to coaching decisions. Nick Saban is the head coach. This notion that the team chose JM rather than the coaching staff is ludicrous.

 

[landonew]

Wasn’t he also a top 15 pick this year?

You may not be superstitious, but you might need to be a little stitious because everything you’ve predicted has gone terribly wrong when it comes to discussing Jalen Milroe. No National title this year, played a terrible game, and his draft stock plummeted.

That was his 2025 projection, which hasn't changed. My predictions are always right 50% of the time

 

[irvingtontide]

JM won't be "battling" for the QB1 position after fall camp. In other news, Vegas opened with JM as co-favorite to win the Heisman. Link. In terms of the draft -- JM makes more $$ from NIL and merch as the starting QB at Alabama than he would as an NFL rookie picked outside the first two rounds. Link.

You also said milroe is on another level than young, would win back to back NC, a heisman, and would be considered one of the best alabama Qbs(that last one is really not going your way). Then proclaimed you don’t respect anyone that doesn’t share your same opinion on milroe. I just can’t take anything you say seriously if you honestly believe that milroe is on another level than young. You’ve been watching completely diffrent games than the rest of us if you still stand behind that take.

 

[Tidelines]

There very well could be something to this. Early in the competition, the message we were hearing from Saban was something along the line of; play so well in practice that I don't have a choice but to play you and; someone needs to take the role. Then it kinda flipped to 'whoever wins the team will start'.

Now that last statement isn't really saying 'the best player' or anything like that.

Like it or not, Saban does lean toward seniority, maybe more than he should at times. Why else would Dalcourt have started the first few games or 22 and 21 and be given all the chances he's been given over the last two years. in 22, as soon as DD came out, the OL was way better. Magically, that also happened as soon as Roberts got OG role over DD mid 22. Clearly we can all look at that sample of work and know that SM was a better center in 21 (at least before the snap issues this year) and that Roberts is an order of magnitude better OG (this one isn't even remotely close, the ability difference of Roberts over DD is staggering). Same for ILB in 22 - was Jalen Moody really better than Lawson or was he just older? Lawson certainly played better when he was in and it eventually became so clear he took most of the snaps toward the end of the year. maybe the same is true for Marshall and Campbell this year at ILB. Marshall was older and earned more starts, but Campbell was more productive by far.

The first statements from Saban sound like messages to Simpson - i.e. since JM has seniority, you have to prove, absolutely, positively that not only are you better, but that you are WAY better. You have to make it so obvious that there's not even a question.

The whole 'winning the locker room' and the 'team choosing the QB' was just baffling to me honestly. I get that JM is very well liked by the players. He certainly comes across as genuine, likeable and charismatic when interviewed, and is probably moreso in person. I'm sure that makes any decision to have him not get the start very difficult and makes the degree of having to be better even higher.

That said, just watch this video, starting at 29 seconds. I know it's only a few throws, but just watch how much faster all the QBs not named Milroe get the ball out. Watch everyone's footwork to see how quickly (or in one players case - how slowly) they push back into the drop or motion. Look to see if they use the correct foot to push and start the drop. Look at the length and quickness of the steps to get to the throwing platform. Watch closely how fast most of them get the ball into the right grip, with the ball in the right spot so they are ready to pass.

When JM and TS swap spots (1st and 2nd throw) the difference is crazy. TS gets the ball out over a full second faster when he's on the right v when JM is on the right. When TS is on the left, the ball is out about .4 a second faster, even though TS got the snap later and higher. On the later static throw, TS is around .8 a second faster that JM. Sayin is even .3 a second faster than JM. This difference is NOT a new thing (other than the Sayin data point). It was clear from just about every throw from practice and the scrimmages that's been public going back into spring.

Why does that matter in practice reps? Because you play like you practice, and if a player can't execute these types of things, at game speed, even when there is no pressure, it's going to be incredibly hard to increase the speed at which you try to execute them in a game.

** for the timing, I started the clock at the snap, and stopped, as best I could when the ball came out. I timed each rep for each QB 4 times, and averaged that, to try to account for any type of slowness or quickness issues with me clicking start/stop.

Bingo, there's you some facts.

 

[RammerJammer14]

After watching so many open receivers not get the ball I don’t care if it’s the fax cam girl that’s out there hitting slants and checkdowns.

lol, I was just joking around since he would normally be attending Prom in a few months, not slinging it for the best college program in America.

 

[cbi1972]

I just can’t take anything you say seriously if you honestly believe that milroe is on another level than young.

Another, lower level