Poll: Donald Trump hush money case - what will the verdict be?

[TIDE-HSV]

This is a bigger farce than i thought. the jury was told consider if trump violated federal election law, no can do, this is a state proceding. The FEC looked into this and found nothing. Also the jury was instructed to consider tax evasion, taxes where never mentioned during the trial. The jury asked the judge for a written copy of his instructions and he refused. Why? Lawyers for both sides were denied a copy also. Again Why? No appellate court will stand for this and everybody knows it, this all just for show.

A conspiracy to violate a federal law can be a state offense, which is the basis of this prosecution. No jury in New York gets to take a written copy of jury instructions into the jury room, which seems archaic to me, but that's the way they do it in NY, not just this case...

 

[jthomas666]

Would this prosecution have taken place if Trump wasn't running for president (let alone being the expected Republican nominee with arguably a real chance at beating Biden)?

This is the question I think we should be asking, no?

And I'll also add I wonder how much of that question is going to impact the way some jurors might be thinking in their deliberations.

Wouldn't a better question be, would this prosecution have taken place if Trump hadn't broken the law?

 

[Bazza]

Wouldn't a better question be, would this prosecution have taken place if Trump hadn't broken the law?

I wouldn't say it's a better question, no. Here's why.....

There are plenty of politicians who have broken laws and were not prosecuted.

Setting that aside......the timing of this whole thing is very suspect.

Even if someone doesn't want to admit it ---- they know deep down inside this whole thing stinks......

 

[TIDE-HSV]

I wouldn't say it's a better question, no. Here's why.....

There are plenty of politicians who have broken laws and were not prosecuted.

Setting that aside......the timing of this whole thing is very suspect.

Even if someone doesn't want to admit it ---- they know deep down inside this whole thing stinks......

The only thing which stinks is they should have been brought two years earlier. Better late than never...

 

[NationalTitles18]

I wouldn't say it's a better question, no. Here's why.....

There are plenty of politicians who have broken laws and were not prosecuted.

Setting that aside......the timing of this whole thing is very suspect.

Even if someone doesn't want to admit it ---- they know deep down inside this whole thing stinks......

Nah.

Earle makes a point above about timing which is valid.

One thing that stinks is everyone making excuses for Trump's criminal behavior.

If it were anyone else at all no excuses would be made.

There would be no downplaying of outrageous behavior if this were anyone but Trump.

And that is a deep problem in the populous that is indicative of the deterioration of society.

 

[JDCrimson]

The moral equivalency of stuttering over ones words with repeated criminal behavior is mortifying. What has happened to our personal values? I can't vote for Trump purely because he violates everything I stand for, my parents taught me, and I am trying to teach my children.

 

[NationalTitles18]

 

[92tide]

Wouldn't a better question be, would this prosecution have taken place if Trump hadn't broken the law?

well at least he didn't try to steal beef jerky from a dollar store

 

[92tide]

The moral equivalency of stuttering over ones words with repeated criminal behavior is mortifying. What has happened to our personal values? I can't vote for Trump purely because he violates everything I stand for, my parents taught me, and I am trying to teach my children.

you must be new here

 

[Crimson1967]

Wouldn't a better question be, would this prosecution have taken place if Trump hadn't broken the law?

Or if he hadn’t slept with a porn star while his wife was pregnant?

 

[jthomas666]

I wouldn't say it's a better question, no. Here's why.....

There are plenty of politicians who have broken laws and were not prosecuted.

Setting that aside......the timing of this whole thing is very suspect.

Even if someone doesn't want to admit it ---- they know deep down inside this whole thing stinks......

 

[Huckleberry]

Remember this from 2016?

Trump Says He Could 'Shoot Somebody' and Not Lose Voters

"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, okay, and I wouldn't lose any voters, okay?"

www.nbcnews.com

"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?" Trump remarked at a campaign stop at Dordt College in Sioux Center, Iowa. "It's, like, incredible."

Trump supporters continue to prove that the essence of his message still rings true. When it comes to their dear leader, these people have no shame.

 

[HSV_1969]

The moral equivalency of stuttering over ones words with repeated criminal behavior is mortifying. What has happened to our personal values? I can't vote for Trump purely because he violates everything I stand for, my parents taught me, and I am trying to teach my children.

Realistically, the only other viable alternative to vote for is Biden then.

The big issue with that is Biden is certifiably senile, along with being corrupt.

If it comes down to that choice, Trump is definitely better for the country than keeping Biden, in my opinion. Seems a realistic lesson for the kids has to be in there somewhere. Are you going to tell your kids, "I'm sitting this one out", or "I'm voting for someone who has no chance to win?"

 

[Bazza]

The only thing which stinks is they should have been brought two years earlier. Better late than never...

Thank you.......that is exactly what I said......Post #23.....I wrote:

"Would this prosecution have taken place if Trump wasn't running for president (let alone being the expected Republican nominee with arguably a real chance at beating Biden)?

This is the question I think we should be asking, no?"

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Ironically.....it will probably be what helps Trump win re-election..........

 

[NationalTitles18]

Thank you.......that is exactly what I said......Post #23.....I wrote:

"Would this prosecution have taken place if Trump wasn't running for president (let alone being the expected Republican nominee with arguably a real chance at beating Biden)?

This is the question I think we should be asking, no?"

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Ironically.....it will probably be what helps Trump win re-election..........

Well, if he hadn't run for president and broken the law when doing so it is a definite he would not be prosecuted for his crimes here.

So in a sense it's true, just not in the sense you are saying.

And it's disturbing that so many want him to skate on his crimes while shoplifters are thrown in jail or threatened with physical force.

I'm not for letting the shoplifters skate either.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Seems a realistic lesson for the kids has to be in there somewhere. Are you going to tell your kids, "I'm sitting this one out", or "I'm voting for someone who has no chance to win?"

This is the unfortunate situation many Americans find themselves in. There's a reason why half the country doesn't bother to vote. Trust in the American media has never been lower. Trust in the electoral process has never been lower and every four years it feels like we're having to choose between a broken arm or a broken leg.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

In case it's of interest......here is a link to the 55 pages of jury instructions as provided to the jury by Judge Merchan:

https://www.documentcloud.org/docum...t-jury-instructions-and-charges-final-5-23-24

You heard me right.....55 pages........

It must say, it's impressive they found 12 jurors who can memorize that many pages of instructions.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Thank you.......that is exactly what I said......Post #23.....I wrote:

"Would this prosecution have taken place if Trump wasn't running for president (let alone being the expected Republican nominee with arguably a real chance at beating Biden)?

This is the question I think we should be asking, no?"

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Ironically.....it will probably be what helps Trump win re-election..........

What you see as conspiratorial, I see as timidity and reluctance to take a stand in the presence of "in your face" crime...

 

[TIDE-HSV]

It must say, it's impressive they found 12 jurors who can memorize that many pages of instructions.

Every legal commentator I've read or heard has used a word similar to what I used - "archaic." Since no human can memorize that much material upon one hearing, it means that each is going to remember what "stuck out" to him/her. In addition, and Merchan may be better, they are usually delivered monotone and rapidly, since most just restate the obvious...

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Every legal commentator I've read or heard has used a word similar to what I used - "archaic." Since no human can memorize that much material upon one hearing, it means that each is going to remember what "stuck out" to him/her. In addition, and Merchan may be better, they are usually delivered monotone and rapidly, since most just restate the obvious...

Which begs the question: why not just give the jurists a printed copy of the instructions? I've asked the question and apparently written instruction is very common.