Alabama QBs in 2024, II

[RollTide_HTTR]

Coker had Cam Robinson at LT, Ryan Kelly at C, Ridley at WR, OJ Howard at TE, and King Henry at RB. He also had Kiffin at OC and Kirby was the DC. He was definitely in a better situation than Milroe was last year. No question.

However, Coker also threw for 300+ yards and 2TDs vs Clemson in the NCG and 286 and 2TDs vs Michigan State.

 

[davefrat]

Coker had Cam Robinson at LT, Ryan Kelly at C, Ridley at WR, OJ Howard at TE, and King Henry at RB. He also had Kiffin at OC and Kirby was the DC. He was definitely in a better situation than Milroe was last year. No question.

However, Coker also threw for 300+ yards and 2TDs vs Clemson in the NCG and 286 and 2TDs vs Michigan State.

Coker was a good player...will always hold a special place in Bama lore as far as I'm concerned.

I also wish JPW had more time with Saban, he could have been a great one but he was too early in the process.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Coker had Cam Robinson at LT, Ryan Kelly at C, Ridley at WR, OJ Howard at TE, and King Henry at RB. He also had Kiffin at OC and Kirby was the DC. He was definitely in a better situation than Milroe was last year. No question.

However, Coker also threw for 300+ yards and 2TDs vs Clemson in the NCG and 286 and 2TDs vs Michigan State.

That's hard to say because Milroe contributed so much to the problem by not properly seeing the field, who was open, who wasn't. Then add to the amount of sacks he took that was due to him not doing anything but standing there.

We had people on here trying to contribute it to lack of speed by the wr's when we now know Bond, Law, and Prentiss, etc could fly. Milroes inability to get them the ball on time or even at all was the problem.

 

[BamaMoon]

Coker was a good player...will always hold a special place in Bama lore as far as I'm concerned.

I also wish JPW had more time with Saban, he could have been a great one but he was too early in the process.

I think JPW would have been more like AJM if the circumstances were reversed with more time with CNS and his recruiting.

To go deeper down the "what if" hole, imagine if he would have played at Bama with Mack's 2020 talent?

It would have been interesting.

 

[UAH]

That's hard to say because Milroe contributed so much to the problem by not properly seeing the field, who was open, who wasn't. Then add to the amount of sacks he took that was due to him not doing anything but standing there.

We had people on here trying to contribute it to lack of speed by the wr's when we now know Bond, Law, and Prentiss, etc could fly. Milroes inability to get them the ball on time or even at all was the problem.

Milroe is an incredible physical specimen with a genuinely outgoing personality that has him loved by his teammates and the media. The two major elements that create a ceiling for him are his obviously very poor mechanics that are hugely difficult to change at this level/age and his (in)ability to handle the pressure of big moments. This is so obviously the opposite of Bryce Young and the other Alabama QB's we all have admired.

 

[Ledsteplin]

Yet Jalen almost had double the sacks and I guarantee if anyone wanted to commit the time to it that Coker had more throw aways. You forgot Coker’s longest play was 81 yards also.

The stats aren’t completely a full story either. While milroes completion percentage looks good. He took a lot of sack that he could’ve threw the ball away on and couldn’t find a lot of open receivers that killed drives.

The defense carried the team last year. If Bryce young would have had that defense for his two years starting Georgia doesn’t go back to back and most likely it’s still been 50 something years since they’ve won one.

A lot of the sacks was the OL not giving protection. Even Saban mentioned that. But, yeah, he did have too many. He understands why, and has said he's working to greatly reduce that. If his primary receiver is not open, he needs to quickly do something else.

 

[Ledsteplin]

I know you like Jalen more than most.

But comparing him to Jake Coker, a player everybody remembers fondly, isn't gonna help the argument.

Compare him to Tua, Mac or Bryce and, well, the differences are massive.

This is not to say I'm not pulling for JM's improvement, but your comparison does more damage than helping pimp your guy.

And Jake got the ring.

I was comparing passing stats. Nothing else.

 

[Ledsteplin]

Yet Jalen almost had double the sacks and I guarantee if anyone wanted to commit the time to it that Coker had more throw aways. You forgot Coker’s longest play was 81 yards also.

The stats aren’t completely a full story either. While milroes completion percentage looks good. He took a lot of sack that he could’ve threw the ball away on and couldn’t find a lot of open receivers that killed drives.

The defense carried the team last year. If Bryce young would have had that defense for his two years starting Georgia doesn’t go back to back and most likely it’s still been 50 something years since they’ve won one.

You should go back and watch highlights from last year. Jalen did better than what some here give him credit for. I think he fixes the sacks. He'll have a great year, and likely be in the Heisman mix.

 

[AWRTR]

You should go back and watch highlights from last year. Jalen did better than what some here give him credit for. I think he fixes the sacks. He'll have a great year, and likely be in the Heisman mix.

You can’t watch highlights. He made some great plays, but what about the pedestrian average play on 2nd and 6 that moves the chains or sets up a 3rd and inches? Thats where the problem was.

 

[davefrat]

I think JPW would have been more like AJM if the circumstances were reversed with more time with CNS and his recruiting.

To go deeper down the "what if" hole, imagine if he would have played at Bama with Mack's 2020 talent?

It would have been interesting.

AJM was okay I guess.

 

[Ledsteplin]

The offensive line dominated Georgia's DL in the SECCG. I fully did not expect that. Regardless of what Kirby was doing otherwise schematically, his DL was getting beat physically.

I think we see more of that kind of dominant OL this year. And more consistent than last year. It will certainly help the quarterback.

 

[Ledsteplin]

I know you like Jalen more than most.

But comparing him to Jake Coker, a player everybody remembers fondly, isn't gonna help the argument.

Compare him to Tua, Mac or Bryce and, well, the differences are massive.

This is not to say I'm not pulling for JM's improvement, but your comparison does more damage than helping pimp your guy.

And Jake got the ring.

And Jake also had a better offensive line.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

That's hard to say because Milroe contributed so much to the problem by not properly seeing the field, who was open, who wasn't. Then add to the amount of sacks he took that was due to him not doing anything but standing there.

We had people on here trying to contribute it to lack of speed by the wr's when we now know Bond, Law, and Prentiss, etc could fly. Milroes inability to get them the ball on time or even at all was the problem.

It's absolutely not hard to say, let's be serious. None of those WRs are Ridley and our OL couldn't snap and had a LT who really really struggled much of the season. And none of our RBs were King Henry.

No one is saying Milroe didn't have his share of issues but Coker was very clearly in a better situation. Again coaching situation was also clearly better

 

[CrimsonTitles]

Coker had Cam Robinson at LT, Ryan Kelly at C, Ridley at WR, OJ Howard at TE, and King Henry at RB. He also had Kiffin at OC and Kirby was the DC. He was definitely in a better situation than Milroe was last year. No question.

However, Coker also threw for 300+ yards and 2TDs vs Clemson in the NCG and 286 and 2TDs vs Michigan State.

Yeah, but Coker was far and away better as a passer than Milroe will ever be, no matter who he had as his supporting cast. Coker is probably the most underrated QB of the Saban era

 

[TiderJack]

You should go back and watch highlights from last year. Jalen did better than what some here give him credit for. I think he fixes the sacks. He'll have a great year, and likely be in the Heisman mix.

I really, really enjoyed the break on the Jalen conversation but it is back. Agreed and compare his first 4 games against his last 9 games and he improved tremendously and the OL was bad at times. I am not going to predict he is going to suck like some of you are predicting. He is in a new offense being coached by an offensive minded coach that has stated he is going to use Jalen's strengths when running his offense. Almost every expert predictions I have seen has has him in the All-SEC, All-American and Heisman Trophy conversation. We need to accept Jalen is going to be our starter and will be unless he sucks which I for one don't expect. He is an incredibly dangerous weapon.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

Yeah, but Coker was far and away better as a passer than Milroe will ever be, no matter who he had as his supporting cast. Coker is probably the most underrated QB of the Saban era

I actually think Coker is a little overrated. Love him though. I do agree Coker was the better passer and pointed out he had 2TDs in both playoff games along with throwing for 300 yards vs Clemson.

But the situations they were put in were not comparable. I will say we did have RT woes in 2015 but it wasn't as bad as LT last year especially when you add in snapping issues.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

It's absolutely not hard to say, let's be serious. None of those WRs are Ridley and our OL couldn't snap and had a LT who really really struggled much of the season. And none of our RBs were King Henry.

No one is saying Milroe didn't have his share of issues but Coker was very clearly in a better situation. Again coaching situation was also clearly better

Both Bond and Law WILL play in the NFL and at least one (possibly both) will be taken on day 1 of the draft. Milroe contributed enough to the issues last season that just saying "if he would have had so and so" would not have made up the gap. We don't have to agree but that's where I fall on the topic. His misreads and sack taking made our wr's look irrelevant.

 

[irvingtontide]

You should go back and watch highlights from last year. Jalen did better than what some here give him credit for. I think he fixes the sacks. He'll have a great year, and likely be in the Heisman mix.

Highlights are a horrible tool to use to evaluate. It’s just a hand full of someone’s best plays while not showing the bad. There is a reason Saban preached that the NFL would watch every snap whether you had the ball or not.

 

[Tidewater]

I think JPW would have been more like AJM if the circumstances were reversed with more time with CNS and his recruiting.

JPW had a propensity to make the back-breaking mistake at critical junctions. That's life. I think he loved Alabama and was doing the best he could.
My biggest beef with JPW was a classmate of mine who went to the Sugar Bowl when Bama played the Sooners on January 2, 2009.
My classmate was out on Bourbon Street on New Year's Eve/New Year's Day. He took a photo of JPW in a bar at 0230 on January 1, 2009 (I saw the time stamp). Bama did not play until the next day, but that is a choice. A leader decided violate the curfew and go out drinking the day before a big game, a big game in which Alabama played quite poorly and got embarrassed on national TV.
When Coach Saban said, "Be a champion," those were the off the field decisions I think he was talking about. JPW let himself and his teammates down on that occasion.

 

[CrimsonEyeshade]

Heretical as it sounds, that Utah game -- and the Oklahoma game that followed several years later -- were the two most meaningless games of the Saban era. All bowl games are not created equal. Besides, JPW played his guts out on bad Alabama teams.