Bama Game Thread: Official Postgame Thread - Bama vs. USF...

[colbysullivan]

I long for the days of our Achilles heal being our kicker, not our offensive line.

This is the third or fourth year in a row where I heard a lot of people say we were gonna have the best OL in the country. 2020 was a long time ago.

 

[teamplayer]

I do think it's harsh when it's not of the type that is protecting another player. 15 yards and maybe a quarters worth of being out of the game would be sufficient. It does suck for the player, but it really is to protect them.

My biggest problem is that it always goes against the defense. Is it not safer for offensive players to not drop their heads? It is obvious when guys take cheap shots. Those should be called. Incidental helmet contact in a football game should not be called a penalty, especially a penalty this severe that always benefits the offense even when the offensive player initiates the contact.

 

[Krymsonman]

I'm starting to wonder when the question is going to be asked- "How safe do we want to make the game?". Over the last two weeks I've now watched both college and pro football games where calls in the name of safety not only were ticky tack but altered the course of the game. Football is a violent sport at its core, so how much are we willing to change that in the pursuit of safety?

I just call it a bad call by the replay crew. They must not have been getting enough action so they had to insert themselves into the game. There was no launch and if the QB is not ducking down he doesn't hit him in the head neck area. There was absolutely nothing malicious about the hit by Jefferson. And why are we protecting a player that makes his living running the ball. If he lowers his head and hits a defensive player, they won't call that. But the biggest travesty of the whole thing is the penalty to Jefferson. Because it is so subjective, the targeting punishment should be changed. Call it a personal foul with targeting. If you get a second one, in the same game, then you sit out. I hope we appeal this.

 

[mlh]

Maybe another qb could read the defense and know where the pressure was coming from and hit some quick passes......

If so, where is he and why isn't he playing?

 

[Bamabuzzard]

IMO, the moment the offensive player lowers his head the targeting call should be off the table.

 

[JDCrimson]

Speaking of spearing, I have been watching for over 40 years, and I have never seen spearing called.

Perhaps it doesn’t matter in the context of the penalty but it does in regards to the QBs safety which was actually supposed to be why we made such a drastic addition to the rules in the first place. Because we already had a rule against spearing which was almost never enforced.

Again, over-litigation. But upon seeing a slow mo replay you shared, yes I see that Jefferson’s head dipped as he went into the hit. I still say that particular play happened so fast… something simply doesn’t sit right to me about that being a 15 yard foul, ejection, and suspension for the next half of the following game.

 

[colbysullivan]

IMO, the moment the offensive player lowers his head the targeting call is off the table.

There was an obvious targeting on Bernard that happened on our sideline. Our coaches reacted, looking for the flag. Didn’t even get a review. If they can’t even review the right plays, I don’t trust them to get any targeting calls right.

 

[bamadws56]

If so, where is he and why isn't he playing?

Because he failed to "win the locker room,"

 

[Krymsonman]

Well, I was watching the game at my cousin's house over in Fort Morgan, without a computer, so I can only imagine what the game thread sounded like. Probably sounded like me yelling at the TV. From what I could see from my vantage point was we were looking deep first, then for anything else. That obviously was not working as USF was sending half the house just about every play. My question is were we calling only deep shots or was Jalen just not taking what the defense was giving us. I hope he does well, but he looked a whole lot like "old Jalen" last night. Then throw in all of the ticky tack penalties and it's amazing how we ever got anything going. Seems to me I would have been going to roll outs and quick passes a lot quicker than we did last night. But I don't call the plays so I don't know what plays were actually being called.

This game's in the rear view mirror now, and it end up a "somewhat comfortable" win. But there is tons to clean up with a big road trip coming up.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

I feel like I’m losing my mind a bit over the whole QB situation.

Last week I defended #4 a bit because I thought a saw a few things that indicated some progress and improvements.

Fools Gold

I’m done with it.

He can’t play QB at the CFB level.

He absolutely PANICS when pressured and his worst tendencies show back up.

Taking BAD TFL’s and fumbling the ball.

He’s constantly out there ignoring the underneath routes and checkdowns.

If pressure comes he’s thinking chuck it deep or run and try to make something happen.

The OL was horrendous for much of the game.

But there were still plays to be made that could have caused USF to back off with pressure.

He either doesn’t even see it or he sees it and is not comfortable making the throw.

He’s a Fourth year player.

He’s not getting it and it’s time to move on.

We won’t though… that’s finally gotten in my head.

 

[HMM]

I feel like I’m losing my mind a bit over the whole QB situation.

Last week I defended #4 a bit because I thought a saw a few things that indicated some progress and improvements.

Fools Gold

I’m done with it.

He can’t play QB at the CFB level.

He absolutely PANICS when pressured and his worst tendencies show back up.

Taking BAD TFL’s and fumbling the ball.

He’s constantly out there ignoring the underneath routes and checkdowns.

If pressure comes he’s thinking chuck it deep or run and try to make something happen.

The OL was horrendous for much of the game.

But there were still plays to be made that could have caused USF to back off with pressure.

He either doesn’t even see it or he sees it and is not comfortable making the throw.

He’s a Fourth year player.

He’s not getting it and it’s time to move on.

We won’t though… that’s finally gotten in my head.

My thoughts exactly, except I didn't want him starting last week either. I like the kid but not as our QB1. Use him as a wildcat QB runner or a TE or something else. Just not as QB1... Please move on and put in Ty.

 

[Windsortide]

I feel like I’m losing my mind a bit over the whole QB situation.

Last week I defended #4 a bit because I thought a saw a few things that indicated some progress and improvements.

Fools Gold

I’m done with it.

He can’t play QB at the CFB level.

He absolutely PANICS when pressured and his worst tendencies show back up.

Taking BAD TFL’s and fumbling the ball.

He’s constantly out there ignoring the underneath routes and checkdowns.

If pressure comes he’s thinking chuck it deep or run and try to make something happen.

The OL was horrendous for much of the game.

But there were still plays to be made that could have caused USF to back off with pressure.

He either doesn’t even see it or he sees it and is not comfortable making the throw.

He’s a Fourth year player.

He’s not getting it and it’s time to move on.

We won’t though… that’s finally gotten in my head.

Interesting last night the game announcers and the sideline reporter stated he was one of few players on the sideline that never showed any frustration and displayed poise continuously throughout the night. Remember this year the OC sends the play in after taking in the look or coverage with the check and the hot route is an automatic with the call.

 

[Slowpoke Catracho]

I feel like I’m losing my mind a bit over the whole QB situation.

Last week I defended #4 a bit because I thought a saw a few things that indicated some progress and improvements.

Fools Gold

I’m done with it.

He can’t play QB at the CFB level.

He absolutely PANICS when pressured and his worst tendencies show back up.

Taking BAD TFL’s and fumbling the ball.

He’s constantly out there ignoring the underneath routes and checkdowns.

If pressure comes he’s thinking chuck it deep or run and try to make something happen.

The OL was horrendous for much of the game.

But there were still plays to be made that could have caused USF to back off with pressure.

He either doesn’t even see it or he sees it and is not comfortable making the throw.

He’s a Fourth year player.

He’s not getting it and it’s time to move on.

We won’t though… that’s finally gotten in my head.

Guess what?..... The coaches aren't going to call mid-range throws and slants until JM gets comfortable with hitting those slants and mid-range passes in practice. Until then you probably won't see that called in the game. Also, Ty Simpson ain't replacing Jalen unless he gets hurt, we start losing because of him or CKD feels like he needs a change.

 

[BamaInCummingGA]

the top of the helmet rule is two fold. One is somewhat protective of the guy being tackled. The other, and honestly more important is that it's designed to protect the guy making the tackle. Having the head down like that is a very, very good way to end up with a serious injury to the neck. It may seem harsh, but it's there to tell the guys they simply can't do that and continue to play the game.

So if this is true then why don't offensive players get called for targeting when they lower their helmets
? Is it any less dangerous for them?

 

[crimsonaudio]

I do think it's harsh when it's not of the type that is protecting another player. 15 yards and maybe a quarters worth of being out of the game would be sufficient. It does suck for the player, but it really is to protect them.

I really think the answer is to call it as a PF, which acknowledges that if it happens again during the game it's an automatic ejection. Carry over to the next game could be part of that as well. But this sort of punuishment over a single football play that's simply bad form (heck, they were teaching us not to duck our heads 35 years ago) but not obviously intentional is terrible.

 

[Slowpoke Catracho]

I really think the answer is to call it as a PF, which acknowledges that if it happens again during the game it's an automatic ejection. Carry over to the next game could be part of that as well. But this sort of punuishment over a single football play that's simply bad form (heck, they were teaching us not to duck our heads 35 years ago) but not obviously intentional is terrible.

Another thing is that it is a natural reflex to duck your head as a ball carrier to absorb a hit that you know is coming. You are going bump helmets no matter. It's a tough thing to avoid. You have to call it though.

 

[BamaInCummingGA]

If so, where is he and why isn't he playing?

That's a dang good question as to why another qb is not playing, ain't it?

 

[Slowpoke Catracho]

I hope that we as a fanbase don't go down the same road that we went down when Coach Bryant retired. I remember it vividly even though I was just a teenager. We are gonna need to temper our expectations because Nick Saban ain't going to be walking those sidelines again, and Coach DeBoer is going to do things his way.

 

[bamamc1]

“tErRiOn ArNoLd”

All the while he was drafted in the first round and started at cornerback for the Lions tonight. And you sit here whining about him. People on this site are sick of this.

 

[gtgilbert]

So if this is true then why don't offensive players get called for targeting when they lower their helmets
? Is it any less dangerous for them?

That's a.question for those who make the rules. I'd think it should apply to the offense just as much as the defense, but I don't think that's how it's written.