Bama Game Thread: Official Postgame Thread - Bama vs. USF...

[TideEngineer08]

While I will agree that JJ needed to be in better form with a head up position, there was nothing in my opinion that was so malicious in that hit that warrants Jefferson being hit with a first half suspension for the next game. Hit him with a personal foul? Okay. But making him sit next for a half next week is ridiculous.

The hit in and of itself only drew only mundane comments from the broadcasters initially, along the lines of a “solid tackle” comments. They only noticed it AFTER the play was stopped for review.
A Supreme Court Judge once said “I may not be able to define pornography. But I know it when I see it.“ IMO the same standard should be applied to targeting. It should be something that immediately when it happens you know it, because it was malicious and dangerous. Otherwise call it a personal foul and move on.

This is what I’m referring to when I say “over litigating.” We are nitpicking high definition replays. It’s moving beyond a game played by humans to something closer to machines. Too much technology can be a bad thing.

 

[gtgilbert]

I would have to go back and watch it again. I do not recall his face facing the turf. But it was tilted down, yes.

But I think it all happened too fast for him to orient himself differently and in addition, the USF QB ducked at the last second as well, putting his head in harms way.

The location of the QBs head doesn't really matter in this context though. Even if JJ hit the QB in the shoulder, with his head down like that he's likely getting called. It was just a moment of bad form. He made a ton of great plays all over the field last night with very good form. This time just caught him. It was minor, but he ducked:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1832607347736211937

 

[TideEngineer08]

The location of the QBs head doesn't really matter in this context though. Even if JJ hit the QB in the shoulder, with his head down like that he's likely getting called. It was just a moment of bad form. He made a ton of great plays all over the field last night with very good form. This time just caught him. It was minor, but he ducked:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1832607347736211937

Perhaps it doesn’t matter in the context of the penalty but it does in regards to the QBs safety which was actually supposed to be why we made such a drastic addition to the rules in the first place. Because we already had a rule against spearing which was almost never enforced.

Again, over-litigation. But upon seeing a slow mo replay you shared, yes I see that Jefferson’s head dipped as he went into the hit. I still say that particular play happened so fast… something simply doesn’t sit right to me about that being a 15 yard foul, ejection, and suspension for the next half of the following game.

 

[gtgilbert]

Perhaps it doesn’t matter in the context of the penalty but it does in regards to the QBs safety which was actually supposed to be why we made such a drastic addition to the rules in the first place. Because we already had a rule against spearing which was almost never enforced.

Again, over-litigation. But upon seeing a slow mo replay you shared, yes I see that Jefferson’s head dipped as he went into the hit. I still say that particular play happened so fast… something simply doesn’t sit right to me about that being a 15 yard foul, ejection, and suspension for the next half of the following game.

I do think it's harsh when it's not of the type that is protecting another player. 15 yards and maybe a quarters worth of being out of the game would be sufficient. It does suck for the player, but it really is to protect them.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I'm starting to wonder when the question is going to be asked- "How safe do we want to make the game?". Over the last two weeks I've now watched both college and pro football games where calls in the name of safety not only were ticky tack but altered the course of the game. Football is a violent sport at its core, so how much are we willing to change that in the pursuit of safety?

 

[Padreruf]

I'm starting to wonder when the question is going to be asked- "How safe do we want to make the game?". Over the last two weeks I've now watched both college and pro football games where calls in the name of safety not only were ticky tack but altered the course of the game. Football is a violent sport at its core, so how much are we willing to change that in the pursuit of safety?

That's the question...and given the injury rate in the pro's (close to 100%) and the overall rate of concussions/brain damage -- higher than we want to admit -- I vote for caution. One of my best friends played at Bama and had 12 concussions in high school and college. It affects him to this day....quite a price to pay. Most young men don't realize the ultimate effect.

 

[JustNeedMe81]

Very good perspective of the OL's issues:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1832904319487574093

 

[Bamabuzzard]

This is the most important reality. We're going to see an avalanche of this going forward until we show we can stop it. So a lot of things better get fixed and fixed fast. I also wonder why we didn't audible out into a better play because they had 7 around the LOS. The 7th guy comes into the pic after the snap. He was close enough to pay attention to.

 

[81usaf92]

This is the most important reality. We're going to see an avalanche of this going forward until we show we can stop it. So a lot of things better get fixed and fixed fast. I also wonder why we didn't audible out into a better play because they had 7 around the LOS. The 7th guy comes into the pic after the snap. He was close enough to pay attention to.

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Oh we’ll see it this week too. The difference will be that Wisconsin has better weapons to hurt us.

I still don’t see why we are a two TD favorite on the road unless they are expecting a late cover. Yeah we are far more talented than Wisconsin but I don’t think it’s going to be a walk in the park unless we are truly holding stuff back.

 

[irvingtontide]

Very good perspective of the OL's issues:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1832904319487574093

While the RB does block the wrong person from the snap it was roughly 3 seconds till he got hit which is at the point you should’ve made a read ran or thrown it away when they are showing blitz. The crosser in the middle is open if thrown on time that ball comes out at the break which I can’t find another angle of this play at the moment to screen shot but if I remember correctly from watching it live it happens before the blitz would get home. It’s the pass Jalen tries to make but it’s late by the time he pull the trigger and the pressure made it home. This is the exact play that if you execute it on time it forces the defense to dial back the pressure.

 

[BamaInCummingGA]

Everything that went wrong tonight was on the offensive line and poor play calling. Anyone blaming the QB is wrong.

Bryce also had NFL quality receivers and a line that could at least slow down a rush. And a coach that knew when the screen or draw was the right call.
No QB succeeds in the position Jalen was put in tonight and would have looked like crap in comparison.
You should be thanking him on bended knee for doing his job tonight.

JALEN MILROE CANNOT THROW SLANTS OR SCREENS. IT'S WHY WE DON"T CALL THEM. He also can't step to the line and see where the pressure is coming from. Same song second verse. Time to change the tune.

 

[BamaMoon]

Very good perspective of the OL's issues:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1832904319487574093

Classic case of bad, bad footwork, for which JM is noted.

Look at that pocket!

If he simply climbs the pocket...just 1 or 2 steps, he's got a wide open receiver crossing.

 

[TideEngineer08]

The health of the OL is paramount. We were essentially playing backups at 4 of the 5 positions.

If the starting OL is back in play this week, I think we handle Wisconsin better than USF. USF may actually be more athletic than Wisconsin. I don’t know the details, but they were in a one score game yesterday vs South Dakota. That’s South Dakota, NOT South Dakota State.

 

[colbysullivan]

This is the most important reality. We're going to see an avalanche of this going forward until we show we can stop it. So a lot of things better get fixed and fixed fast. I also wonder why we didn't audible out into a better play because they had 7 around the LOS. The 7th guy comes into the pic after the snap. He was close enough to pay attention to.

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Have you ever seen Milroe audible once…ever? Now think about how often Bryce did it. Chess vs checkers.

 

[BamaInCummingGA]

That’s on the play calling.

You have to have a QB who can actually complete slants and screens in order to call them and be effective. Again, JM doesn't even know where the pressure is coming from. He can't read the D.

 

[BamaMoon]

I'm starting to wonder when the question is going to be asked- "How safe do we want to make the game?". Over the last two weeks I've now watched both college and pro football games where calls in the name of safety not only were ticky tack but altered the course of the game. Football is a violent sport at its core, so how much are we willing to change that in the pursuit of safety?

This is where I am. Do we recognize the game has always been one of inherent risks to limb and life and do we want to change the game to something we won't hardly recognize?

Take the case of protecting the QB. You can't hardly breath on the QB anymore. Jesse Palmer mentioned the difference now and compared that to when he played and that was just a few years ago.

Wonder how Bradshaw feels when he sees a QB get bumped and the DL called for "roughing?"

I'm not against trying to keep the game as safe as possible, but I want the game to still resemble the game!

That's the question...and given the injury rate in the pro's (close to 100%) and the overall rate of concussions/brain damage -- higher than we want to admit -- I vote for caution. One of my best friends played at Bama and had 12 concussions in high school and college. It affects him to this day....quite a price to pay. Most young men don't realize the ultimate effect.

I think people have to choose when they've been injured that it may be time to not play anymore.

But if we try to take injuries out of the game, it's not football anymore.

 

[Toddrn]

This is the most important reality. We're going to see an avalanche of this going forward until we show we can stop it. So a lot of things better get fixed and fixed fast. I also wonder why we didn't audible out into a better play because they had 7 around the LOS. The 7th guy comes into the pic after the snap. He was close enough to pay attention to.

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The question for me is can Milroe read the defense good enough to call an audible? And does the coaching staff trust him to do it?

 

[BamaInCummingGA]

On most cases, I didn't see any time for "make them pay". I doubt any other quarterback would have done better with those blitzes. There was simply not time.

Maybe another qb could read the defense and know where the pressure was coming from and hit some quick passes......

 

[colbysullivan]

The question for me is can Milroe read the defense good enough to call an audible? And does the coaching staff trust him to do it?

That’s not something you just learn in your 4th year.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I long for the days of our Achilles heal being our kicker, not our offensive line.