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Wait, there are 55 MILLION foreigners here on visas???

We don't. I think it is a total number of foreign-born, but many of them are US citizens or permanent residents.
No idea why AP has published this nonsense and other media has re-printed it. It is all over the news right now in left and right wing media
 
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We don't. I think it is a total number of foreign-born, but many of them are US citizens or permanent residents.
No idea why AP has published this nonsense and other media has re-printed it. It is all over the news right now in left and right wing media
I looked up the number of foreign-born in the last census and I do not think the number was nearly that high and that number included naturalized American citizens of foreign birth, those with in the US green cards, those on a visa of some type. I do not recall if the number included illegal immigrants. Probably, since the census does not ask about immigration status, just country of birth of whatever status.

Found it.
46.2 million (estimated in 2022).
My point was that no country in human history has assimilated that number of foreign born people. Even on a percentage basis, only 1890 and 1910 were higher.

53% of that number is naturalized American citizens. (Fig. 5 in the attachment).
 
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I looked up the number of foreign-born in the last census and I do not think the number was nearly that high and that number included naturalized American citizens of foreign birth, those with in the US green cards, those on a visa of some type. I do not recall if the number included illegal immigrants. Probably, since the census does not ask about immigration status, just country of birth of whatever status.

Found it.
46.2 million (estimated in 2022).
My point was that no country in human history has assimilated that number of foreign born people. Even on a percentage basis, only 1890 and 1910 were higher.

53% of that number is naturalized American citizens. (Fig. 5 in the attachment).

A new Pew Research Center analysis of Census Bureau data finds that, as of June 2025:
  • 51.9 million immigrants lived in the U.S.
 
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That is an assimilation problem. No country on earth has ever assimilated that many immigrants peacefully (or violently, for that matter), we are simply in uncharted waters.
The implications of these data are two:
  • The US should slow down the flow to buy time for assimilation of those already here. (The US have it easier than Europe. They are trying to assimilate people from countries with very different views of the relationship between the individual, the church, and the state, who write in a script other than Latin, to whom a Western view of the rights of the individual is not organic. We are trying to assimilate a lot of people from Latin America, at least nominally Christian, Latin script reading, Western in outlook.
  • The US should work really hard to inspire love of country in those currently here. You cannot teach young people and new arrivals that the United States are an awful country while trying to assimilate that number.
 
That is an assimilation problem. No country on earth has ever assimilated that many immigrants peacefully (or violently, for that matter), we are simply in uncharted waters.
The implications of these data are two:
  • The US should slow down the flow to buy time for assimilation of those already here. (The US have it easier than Europe. They are trying to assimilate people from countries with very different views of the relationship between the individual, the church, and the state, who write in a script other than Latin, to whom a Western view of the rights of the individual is not organic. We are trying to assimilate a lot of people from Latin America, at least nominally Christian, Latin script reading, Western in outlook.
  • The US should work really hard to inspire love of country in those currently here. You cannot teach young people and new arrivals that the United States are an awful country while trying to assimilate that number.
No, you have to teach the truth...
 
No, you have to teach the truth...
Therein lies the rub. One man's truth is another man's folly. We can't even agree on facts in this country. If the Republican's did it then it is akin to fascism and if the Democrats did it then it came from their love of socialism.
 
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Therein lies the rub. One man's truth is another man's folly. We can't even agree on facts in this country. If the Republican's did it then it is akin to fascism and if the Democrats did it then it came from their love of socialism.
There has to be a middle ground between the 1619 Project and the "slavery had its good points" crowd.
 

ICE try to break into barbershop when owner won't open door without a warrant—threaten to go after his parents.

Agent: "I'm going to go get your dad—and I'm going to get your mom!"

Witness: "Y'all can't tell him that, though. His mom?"

Agent: "Yes we can. That's how we do."

As more members of the community intervened—ICE agents left the scene without making any arrests. The incident occurred at the Presidential Barbershop in Lynwood, California.




Masked law enforcement with no warrant. How is this OK?
 
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My son just wrapped up the entire Calhoun Community College online American history course in under two weeks this summer—and walked away with the full 3 hours of credit.

Whether he actually learned anything (good, bad, truth, or not) is another story.
 
Much the way we binge watch TV shows now. I see sprints in educational courses becoming more the norm.

Student-athletes have been attacking their studies this way for years; whereas regular students have bee relegated to the unnecessary inefficiency of education.

My son just wrapped up the entire Calhoun Community College online American history course in under two weeks this summer—and walked away with the full 3 hours of credit.

Whether he actually learned anything (good, bad, truth, or not) is another story.
 
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Homeowner shoots, kills 2 men in ski masks claiming to be officers, HPD says
"It was just two people and they're masked up and no police cars, no lights or anything like that," said Lt. Khan with HPD.





How long before this happens to ICE officers? Especially if they're masked, warrantless, and are trying to enter a home/business?
 
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There has to be a middle ground between the 1619 Project and the "slavery had its good points" crowd.

Thank you for this.

A number of liberal historians have sacrificed their credibility on the altar of political correctness by giving the 1619 Project a free pass. They're an embarrassment both to scholarship and propaganda (the Project and their defenders).

To me, the "slavery had its good points" claim is like the white person who did grow up amongst a lot of black friends using the N word because he was accepted by that community. (It's rarer now but this did happen; Gale Sayers even said that the scene in "Brian's Song" where Brian Piccolo uses it WAS accurate in the sense Piccolo was the only white guy on the team who could get away with it).
DON'T. DO. IT. Period. It doesn't matter that you did it in 1983, don't do it now.

It's the "Mussolini made the trains run on time" argument applied to an emotional setting.
It might be true but in the larger context, so what?
 
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My son just wrapped up the entire Calhoun Community College online American history course in under two weeks this summer—and walked away with the full 3 hours of credit.

Whether he actually learned anything (good, bad, truth, or not) is another story.

I took American History three times in school (7th, 8th, and 11th grades). I won the award for the highest grade all three times. And I don't doubt my teachers were knowledgeable and meant well. But the reality is that we didn't really learn very much except "X happened on this date and it was followed by Y." There was so much attention given to the European explorers that none of those 3 classes ever even made it to the Korean War. And even our WW2 instruction - and this was in 1981, 1982, and 1986 - was "Hitler invaded Poland in 1939, they had an alliance with Japan and Italy, Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, we nuked Japan" was it. ZERO discussion of Hitler's rise to power (at best it was implied by the depressed economy of Germany after the First Big One), nothing at all about FDR interring the Japanese, none of that.

They did a somewhat better job - and this is probably understandable - on the Civil War. They took neither the Lost Cause position NOR did they advocate the "North As Liberators" Position, but they also mentioned nada about Lincoln's controversial comments about slavery both in the Douglas debate and prior to 1862. I could summarize their teaching as, "Slavery was AN IMPORTANT issue but it was NOT THE ONLY issue," which is not unreasonable. It was all - pardon the pun here - black and white, colonists and the North as the "good guys" and Britain and the Confederacy as the bad guys.

I've learned more about actual US History reading Tidefans the last 15 years than I learned in three years of US History courses in schools both in Mississippi AND West Germany. I've learned more watching the History Channel's series on The American Revolution that has multiple historians and multiple viewpoints presented, too. I've learned more actually buying and reading books that in most cases don't take the black and white approach and that cite OTHER sources to read for more information.

And now back to the posts about ICE!!

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Homeowner shoots, kills 2 men in ski masks claiming to be officers, HPD says
"It was just two people and they're masked up and no police cars, no lights or anything like that," said Lt. Khan with HPD.





How long before this happens to ICE officers? Especially if they're masked, warrantless, and are trying to enter a home/business?
It will happen eventually if they stick to these tactics.
 
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