Bama Game Thread: Official PostGame Thread - Bama @ FSU...

[RammerJammer15]

I have said this numerous times over the years but Saban gets the “Bear” treatment that older crowd constantly beats their chest with in which there can never be a truly objective analysis on the actual decline of the dynasty because of the accomplishments that they made in the run. Dynasty’s don’t decline under a cliff like Max Kellerman thinks. They decline usually under championship seasons. I put the decline at the “2nd and 27” game. Yes we won a championship but after that night Saban shifted focus onto recruiters over talent development coaches. We suddenly stopped getting aces in coaching and started to get guys like Locks and Pete. Since 2018 everyone has been killing us at getting can’t miss DLinemen. Why? Because we had no one at Alabama since then can develop them. Why did saban go this route? Because he was constantly having to replace ace coaches every year because everyone wanted them as head coaches or coordinators. Saban chose comfort with recruiting over the stresses of constantly having to replace ace staff.

Saban teams from 21-23 were constantly high in penalties and had extreme difficulties on the road in SEC play. So it’s not new for us to field undisciplined teams and struggle on the road. What’s new is that we can’t seem to make halftime adjustments and we lose more of them. But again having Bryce young masks a lot.

I’m glad you brought up the coordinators because when you look at Ohio State after Urban retired or Oklahoma after Stoops retired, they were able to hire within to keep things rolling, when Saban retired, we had no one on the staff to hire because every coordinator after Kirby treated their job as a coaching rehab to get a job somewhere else. The only coach that may have been able to take over would’ve been Sark if Saban retired after 2020 but Kevin Steele (or T-Rob) and Tommy Rees had no shot of taking over, I honestly thought after BoB left, Saban’s next OC choice was gonna be someone he chose to replace him.

Either way, while the program was left in good shape, there were a lot of issues under the hood.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

I honestly think there is only 2 guaranteed wins on our schedule, the rest is a who knows scenario. Goodness I need a drink.

 

[uaintn]

I expected to see a much different and productive offensive game called with Grubb at the helm. For one drive, I thought my expectations were going to be met. Thereafter, it was much like last year. The play of the offensive line was embarrassing.

I’m not a football coach and don’t have many answers. Unfortunately, I fear our coaching staff doesn‘t either. This game looked and felt a lot like Michigan, Oklahoma, and Vanderbilt last year. I allowed myself to believe things were going to be different this year. So far, not so much and nothing said by the coach after the game leads me to believe much will change this season.

If we continue to get beaten on the scoreboard and otherwise by double digit underdogs, changes have to be made. The University has far too much invested for this sort of return.

 

[BAMARICH]

This is literally a continuation from last year, and is honestly not even new under DeBoer...

It seems you're wistfully hopeful things will magically fix themselves when they were already askew under Saban and have fallen further under DeBoer.

In time, you may well be correct that mine is an overreaction...

But sadly, based on current evidence I'd be willing to bet a large sum that I'm not wrong.

Last year CKD was handcuffed - the program wasn’t truly “his” because of the circumstances of CNS’s last year and departure. I get wanting to look for trends… I do it myself. However, FSU this year wasn’t like Vandy of last year. There was a ton of uncertainty about this game and they took a punch out of the gate and couldn’t recover. The second half was better - albeit we still lost that half too.

For CKD, it’s fair to look at his record in his previous stops. As one poster noted earlier, his best year at UW came with a lot of tight games against teams they should have beat handily. IMO, Grubb made several head-scratching calls at times tonight. Instead of calling short-intermediate passing plays, he would max protect and send 3 guys deeper - going away totally from 15’s strengths. I get finding out if your guy can do that in a real game… but when you’re clawing to get back in the game, that’s not the time.

As I said earlier, if this continues into the first half of the season, I be right where you are… but I’d at least like to wait until after the UGA game.

 

[LA BamaCarl]

The slot is not a good position for Ryan Williams. His value is in the open field at wide out. He's gonna get hurt seriously running across the middle in traffic.

 

[BAMARICH]

And this is why college football fans are getting more and more disillusioned....one sniff of adversity and the players think its not on them so they transfer and leave the program vs staying and working it out...build character. Unfortunately there are programs willing to drop the cash to get them to transfer...its killing the game for the true fan

It’s killing the game for everyone… except the players and their agents.

 

[RammerJammer14]

I wonder when enrollment at bama will start being affected by the state of the program. When it comes down to it the football program exists as advertising for the university, and this is bad advertising.

 

[RammerJammer15]

The slot is not a good position for Ryan Williams. His value is in the open field at wide out. He's gonna get hurt seriously running across the middle in traffic.

I thought it would’ve been good for him in terms of volume catches but he didn’t look comfortable in the slot at all

 

[JTH]

Should have ran with Kiffin. He knows the league and has won at a lesser school.

He was the coach I was wanting since Coach Saban announced his retirement. I knew it wouldn't happen but he would have this team much more prepared than we are right now.

 

[BAMARICH]

Im not saying it was easy to gameplan for them, but I simply don’t buy into this. If your assumption is that nobody could have possibly game planned for FSU today, you are basically saying that nobody could have possibly stopped or beat them. I don’t buy it at all.

You have to have the personnel to stop them. Due to the folks who have pumped sunshine all offseason, fans came into this game with the expectation of a comfortable win. Jess does a good job noting the issue of the DL - and we got mauled there most of the night. I’m not saying no one could have beaten them… but we didn’t. BTW… a similar thing is happening at Clemson tonight.

 

[denver]

I thought it would’ve been good for him in terms of volume catches but he didn’t look comfortable in the slot at all

Good observation..he looks shy for contact - herby just said we looked lethagic...that's very accurate

 

[SkullDuckery]

All the talk in fall camp was fluff. McElroy talked them up…everyone talked this team up. That is the biggest letdown. And Grubbs play-calling was awful tonight. So boring and predictable. The defense gives me ulcers every time I see them line up on third and short with 3 down linemen.

 

[RammerJammer14]

You have to have the personnel to stop them. Due to the folks who have pumped sunshine all offseason, fans came into this game with the expectation of a comfortable win. Jess does a good job noting the issue of the DL - and we got mauled there most of the night. I’m not saying no one could have beaten them… but we didn’t. BTW… a similar thing is happening at Clemson tonight.

Yeah, I’m watching it. Was pulling for Clemson- starting to think I’m gonna have to pull a George Costanza this season and just pull for the team I want to lose, because whatever I want the opposite will happen.

 

[SkullDuckery]

He was the coach I was wanting since Coach Saban announced his retirement. I knew it wouldn't happen but he would have this team much more prepared than we are right now.

Our admin have their noses stuck up in the air when it comes to Lane. The guy can coach and should have been given an opportunity.

 

[RammerJammer14]

DeBoer: 'No excuses' for Tide's tumble in Tally

Alabama coach Kalen DeBoer said after a disappointing 31-17 loss to Florida State that there are "no excuses" for what happened to a No. 8 Crimson Tide team that came into the season opener as a nearly two-touchdown favorite.

www.espn.com

Mildly interesting I guess, said what he had to say after such a loss, but I put zero stock in anything KD says, ever. Will be curious what he actually does.

Alabama lost by two touchdowns in a season opener for the first time since 1970 (a 21-point loss against No. 3 USC).

Ouch

 

[denver]

Given we all know that the LOS is the key, why does Bama look so devoid of talent on both? Surely the recruiting team know that....pumping NIl into those areas seems a no brainer

 

[Cruloc]

Its wonderful hearing Herbstreit, during the LSU game....say the shocker of the day was our game. Then say how AVERAGE Alabama looked. How LETHARGIC Alabama looked.

Saw the stat on the scroller.....largest opening loss since 1970. (Thanks DeBoer and Wommack) Lowest rushing yards in an opener since 1975. (thanks DeBoer and Grubb)

 

[Cruloc]

Mildly interesting I guess, said what he had to say after such a loss, but I put zero stock in anything KD says, ever. Will be curious what he actually does.

Shula 2.0

Don't care what coach speak he says. He hasn't had this team prepared since the 1st half of the Georgia game last year.

 

[BAMARICH]

I wonder when enrollment at bama will start being affected by the state of the program. When it comes down to it the football program exists as advertising for the university, and this is bad advertising.

Basketball is picking up the slack. 😎

 

[OconeeTide]

He was the coach I was wanting since Coach Saban announced his retirement. I knew it wouldn't happen but he would have this team much more prepared than we are right now.

When Saban retired my Dad asked me who i would want to replace him and the only two coaches that came to mind were Kiffin and Kirby. Not realistic but thats who i wanted.