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[81usaf92]

“No where a championship team”…

“No examples”

For the last time:

12-2, SEC Champions, stop Georgia from the 3 peat, 4 team playoff berth, one play away from playing for his 8th NC.

That’s facts. Not fluff.

Don’t talk about all the close games under Saban the last season and call it “luck”, and then turn around and praise DeBoer for all his close wins.

All of us agree DeBoer failed to meet expectations last season.

This season overall remains to be seen.

But acting like he was handed a situation like Saban inherited from Shula is beyond ridiculous.

1) no one far as i can tell has said he inherited a Shula level team. But it has been clear for some time that the post 2020 teams under Saban have been highly talented but highly flawed teams. Bryce Young covered up alot of those flaws for two years but it was apparent that they were nowhere near peak Saban era teams. And the transfer portal added with nil doesn’t exactly allow DeBoer control over the very best of that last team he had. Let’s face it… he had 0% chance of keeping the one person that would’ve made a difference on last year and this year’s team when Ohio st and Georgia were bidding on him once saban left.

2) close games… in this era they happen far more often than they have ever happened in the past. Too many teams are far more similar in talent than ever before. Vanderbilt is a legitimate threat in terms of talent to upset you on any given Saturday. When have you ever said that outside of the few times that they got a legitimate quarterback that everyone was snoozing on?

3) luck… it’s part of the game, and most of our road wins from 21-present have required a good deal of luck to go our way.

4) saying that the 24 team was a championship caliber team is ignoring that 3 of our 4 best players were DeBoer guys. Milroe for better or worst was the one true Saban guy out of those 4. Ryan Williams had to be re recruited by DeBoer and Shepherd so he technically counts as a DeBoer guy. But Brailsford and Bernard were both guys who came in from Washington. The fact that we won 9 games with the crazy amount of transfers out from that 23 team that you want to hype up is an amazing feat all things considering when you actually look at the experience on that roster added with the acknowledgment that they had to learn a totally different system from what was being ran under Saban.

 

[bvandegraff]

That’s one game.

The first of four wins in a row against ranked teams, two of them on the road, but I guess coaching had nothing to do with that…..

 

[81usaf92]

Sarkisian can’t hold DeBoer’s jock as a HC - IMO, Sarkisian is simply mediocre or a little better. CKD has beaten him both times he’s faced him, likely with less overall talent.

Many are trashing the OL but it is at least decent in pass pro. The RBs and Ty holding the ball too long probably cause more of the issues than the OL. (IMO, overall Ty has been great this year and is still playing well even at his worst. He is the primary reason for Alabama’s success.) DeBoer stated the obvious again post game that Ty has to get rid of the ball quicker. He needs to drop back and let it rip like vs UGA. If there is no one open just throw it away. CKD has mentioned this multiple times this year.

This is true especially when you are facing a top DL like Mizz, USCe or OU.

We have played a murderous row of good defenses and only lost to one of them. Ty had a rough game and he was due for one. It happens it’s just unfortunate that it happened like this.

But people need to keep in mind that the 24 Ohio st team was 10x more talented than any team in the country. Yet they lost 13-10 at home vs a mediocre Michigan team. But what happened? They regrouped after a break, got hot, and didn’t look back. In the NIL and expanded playoff era all you need is to 1) make the playoffs and 2) get hot…. Beat Auburn and let’s see what happens. aTm and Georgia are very beatable

 

[countrytider]

The first of four wins in a row against ranked teams, two of them on the road, but I guess coaching had nothing to do with that…..

You guys going to hang onto that if we lose the IB and miss the 12 team playoffs again?

 

[81usaf92]

Whatever. You must have totally ignored the post you “quoted”.

If we lose the IB, you guys gonna continue to blame Saban?

And just here to whine? I post quite a bit when I have time here and on the basketball board.

Being upset after a game which we clearly got out coached is not whining.

If we lose the IB then it’s just an indication that this program is still a work in progress but not a complete team yet. I mean people blasted Ryan Day and Harbaugh for years for falling short but they clearly were building to something elite. What Saban did probably won’t ever be replicated so it’s time to temper expectations. But again it doesn’t change the fact that he didn’t leave DeBoer a championship ready team when Downs left and his best DBs and the star receiver all jetted elsewhere too before DeBoer coached one game.


I think the whining that is getting annoying is that everytime Deboer loses a game it borders between “here is Dubose 2.0” to “ I knew we should’ve hired this guy”. I think we are in a far better position coach wise than 95% of the teams that have lost a game this year. I think if you ask their fans to be honest then they would gladly trade their coach for ours… to include Oklahoma. Don’t believe me, look at the OU message boards over the past few years. They are constantly up and down on Venerables.

 

[81usaf92]

You guys going to hang onto that if we lose the IB and miss the 12 team playoffs again?

I will be very disappointed because I thought this season could have been a special year if things went right but ultimately I’ll look at it like i looked at 21 and 22 in which you could see major flaws and we somehow managed 9-10 wins despite them.

 

[81usaf92]

Living in Nebraska for 6 years taught me the importance of being a patient fan. Maybe ask a Cornhusker about Solich and not heeding Pelini’s warnings about switching conferences…. Being spoiled and entitled doesn’t help you move forward as a program or a fanbase

 

[bvandegraff]

How about we let them actually play the game first? You’re arguing a future result that may or may not happen to support your point. I’m quick as anyone to blame coaching when warranted (FSU game), and there’s at least one assistant that I think should be polishing his resume. That said, today’s loss was down to the players failing to execute and making critical errors at the worst times. They can’t duplicate those on the voodoo pasture and hope to win.

 

[bvandegraff]

I’d like to direct some vitriol at Greg Sankey and the SEC propellerheads that dumped this 2010-type schedule on us. They’d give every Bama opponent a bye week before our games if they could. Of course any advantage Bama would’ve gotten from our bye weeks were nullified because both opponents also had bye weeks. Heckuva way to treat your biggest ratings draw, Greg.

 

[81usaf92]

I’d like to direct some vitriol at Greg Sankey and the SEC propellerheads that dumped this 2010-type schedule on us. They’d give every Bama opponent a bye week before our games if they could. Of course any advantage Bama would’ve gotten from our bye weeks were nullified because both opponents also had bye weeks. Heckuva way to treat your biggest ratings draw, Greg.

I think there should be a stipulation that there are no November bye weeks unless it’s both teams. I just think it puts teams vying for the playoffs in a very disadvantageous situation because the SEC stacks November with huge games

 

[AussieTy]

The 3rd loss I was talking about was the SECCG.

If we lost to AU it’s a wrap 100%

They are awful and have no HC.

We can’t afford a 3rd loss of any kind imo.

I wouldn't say 100% for the aforementioned reasons.

A SECCG loss wouldn't mean anything.

 

[RdunawayTX]

I wouldn't say 100% for the aforementioned reasons.

A SECCG loss wouldn't mean anything.

I'd like to agree with you. But who really knows what the committee is going to do.

 

[OconeeTide]

Id say CKD has done a pretty good job so far all things considered. After the FSU loss i feel like he really started to put his mark on the program, and has been doing a much better job. IMO Grubb isnt the answer but our Oline is broken beyond repair so who really knows how much is scheme or talent?
It felt like OK was bringing the whole D every down but they really weren't.

 

[AlexanderFan]

“No where a championship team”…

“No examples”

For the last time:

12-2, SEC Champions, stop Georgia from the 3 peat, 4 team playoff berth, one play away from playing for his 8th NC.

That’s facts. Not fluff.

Don’t talk about all the close games under Saban the last season and call it “luck”, and then turn around and praise DeBoer for all his close wins.

All of us agree DeBoer failed to meet expectations last season.

This season overall remains to be seen.

But acting like he was handed a situation like Saban inherited from Shula is beyond ridiculous.

Who is praising DeBoer’s close games? The only people who think he “failed to meet expectations” last year are people who don’t realize he was saddled with a lemon of a quarterback who couldn’t read a defense and who had to have a playbook tailored to his extremely limited ability. Not to mention the SEC being down that year.

 

[TideMan09]

Kinda. We rolled up a lot of yards on them. We didn’t execute at critical times and had too many turnovers. You take those away I think this game opens up for us like I thought it would.

I admit Ty Simpson & our offense had our moments, chances too win this game, buttttt, The Sooner's pretty much manhandled our offense & imposed their will on us on defense choking us out..

Just like against FSU, I thought we simply had bad game planning from the start, with even worse effort against Oklahoma, you simply can't play from behind against a defensive minded HC like Venables..

I may get blasted & thought our coaching staff laid another egg, against another quality opponent & that's becoming a trend under this coaching staff..

We're a one trick pony type of offense..

 

[LeBron47]

This wasn’t the Offensive game plan - 23 FD 406 yds
This wasn’t the Defensive game plan - 16 FD 212 yards
This was about poor decisions by Ty - 2 TO one being a pick six
Terrible Special teams - missed FG and fumbled Punt return
One of these areas can be fixed and that is Ty - he will get a grip and come out firing on all cylinders at the Barnyard… homefield advantage has not worked for the Barneys this year

 

[BamaMoon]

After watching the painful highlights, the point differential from our mistakes is +20 in favor of OU.

7 - pic 6
7- RW punt return fumble
3- Talty missed FG
3- Ty's fumble on the sack led to a short field and an OU fg

20 of the 23 points are directly related to 3 TOs and a bad snap/missed FG.

But, I digress. It's the coaches' fault.

 

[Snuffy Smith]

Probably already posted but we should have gotten another shot at that field goal 15 yards closer on an untimed down.

Player clearly left his feet to jump over the line and get a piece of it.

 

[BamaMoon]

You guys going to hang onto that if we lose the IB and miss the 12 team playoffs again?

You've done nothing but complain about the coaches and have failed to comment on the player's mistakes.

Until you do, you are whining about the same thing.

Multiple people have called you on it, but you continue.

Did the coaches fumble, throw pics, miss fgs??? No, it was the players. So quit acting like we need to change coaches.

If that's not what you are saying, what are you saying???

 

[BamaMoon]

You guys going to hang onto that if we lose the IB and miss the 12 team playoffs again?

You've done nothing but complain about the coaches and have failed to comment on the player's mistakes.

Until you do, you are whining about the same thing.

Multiple people have called you on it, but you continue.

Did the coaches fumble, throw pics, miss fgs??? No, it was the players. So quit acting like we need to change coaches.

If that's not what you are saying, what are you saying???