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Scott Free

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In terms of Tedford he actually has coached many NFL Qb's besides Kyle Boller and Aaron Rodgers. Here is how it breaks down:

While he was at Fresno he coached:
Trent Dilfer
Billy Volek

As offensive coordinator with Oregon he coached:
Akili Smith
Joey Harrington
A.J. Feeley

I would say he works well with Quarterbacks! I wouldn't mind seeing JPW added to that list myself! Roll Tide! :BigA:
 

FreeBro

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Re: IMO, it's gonna be P. Johnson

Outstanding post. One interesting tidbit. Skip Holtz actually helped develop this offense with Meyer & company while at ND. Skip ran a version of the offense with much success while HC at Connecticut and tried to bring it with him from UCONN to USC when he was OC under his father, but Lou would never fully turn the reigns over to Skip to properly implement the offense.
You are absolutely correct! I had forgotten all about Skip being on Lou's staff at ND.

Do you know if Skip or Urban got the chance to first use the offense?

Also, I cannot for the life of me remember the other guy that helped develope this offense? He went with Myer to BG, Utah and I think he is currently at UF.

I saw him several years ago speak at a clinic while they were at BG. It is revolutionary stuff.:BigA: :BigA: :BigA: :BigA:
 

FreeBro

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In terms of Tedford he actually has coached many NFL Qb's besides Kyle Boller and Aaron Rodgers. Here is how it breaks down:

While he was at Fresno he coached:
Trent Dilfer
Billy Volek

As offensive coordinator with Oregon he coached:
Akili Smith
Joey Harrington
A.J. Feeley

I would say he works well with Quarterbacks! I wouldn't mind seeing JPW added to that list myself! Roll Tide! :BigA:
Yeah, but what kind of hat does he wear. Low-profile or a bar cap.:BigA: :BigA: :BigA: :BigA:
 

OLDTIDE

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I am telling you guys, when Bama presents the offer to Spurrier.he will become very interested. His ego has toned down some. I know him,he plays golf with my son-in-law and he really is a decent guy. He has a small place in history at Florida but if he came to Bama and stayed a few years and won a couple of NC's, He would be in history as one of the great coaches. If he stayed at SC for ten years he want even get honorable mention...Make him the official offer and he will come. Bear's shadow will not phase him..
 

tidefan39817

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Re: IMO, it's gonna be P. Johnson

You are really talking about several different offenses above.

What Paul Johnson runs is based on what Erk Russell did at GS in the early to mid 80s. He wanted to run an UGa-Dooley type offense, but realized he did not have the players. They combined the Wishbone with the Run & Shoot and invented what they called the Ham Bone. They wound not throwing much after Tracy Ham moved on to the CFL and majored in the Option out of a double SE-double Slot formation. BTW, Mal Moore ran some double slot Bone versus PSU in the famous goal line stand Sugar Bowl game

A little earlier than this (late 70s, early 80s) Ken Hatfield was experimenting with breaking the Bone into what he called the Flex Bone at Air Force. His OC was Fisher DeBerry and they now call this offense the Fish Bone. The Fish Bone has evolved with some Wing-T principles mixed in with the old Wishbone stuff. Chan Gailey brought the Flex Bone to Troy from Air Force in '83 and won the NC with it in '84 (they won it again in '87 under Rick Rhodes, but same offense).

Hawaii also ran a version of the Flex Bone in the '80s and Oregon State did so in the '90s. The Army and Navy have run versions of the Bone off and on for over 20 years.

ALL of the offenses above are more like what CPJ runs now. When he was at Hawaii with a HC named Wagner he ran the Flex Bone and utilized the Run & Shoot principles that were originally used when he was an assistant at Ga Southern. It was the same offense, but he had the talent to use the passing portion as well.

The Spread Gun (like Texas Tech) was pretty much devised by Hal Mumme and Leach, but he borrowed almost ALL his ideas from BYU and the West Coast passing game. The double crossing hi-lo routes used today were pretty much popularized by people like Mike Shannahan (some still call this route Denver). They took their ideas and used them out of the Gun almost exclusively.

Coaches like Myer and Rodriguez took the Spread Gun and added a stronger running attack. Myer and his OC developed alot of the ideas they later implemented at Bowling Green while assistants for Holtz at Notre Dame. They did NOT use them at ND. You are right about them wanting to integrate more running and develope a read option game out of the Gun. Myer and Rodriguez developed their offenses at about the same time independently of each other, so these are two different offenses as well.
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I hope I did NOT bore anyone. I am NOT saying this is ALL exactly correct, but this is the way I've heard it from coaches over the years from books, at clinics and other gatherings.

I was in Hawaii when Wagner was running the flex bone there in 89-90 and part of 91. they used to kill teams from the mainland coming over thinking they were gonna pound Hawaii and Hawaii ended up hanging 60 on them. BYU had just beat Miami earlier that year and came over to the islands and got 67 hung on them. innovative offense to say the least. who knows....where Mal is headed with this search thing. one thing is sure though, he needs to go on and get it over with. not drag around like he did last time with the hiring of Price and Shula.
 

Athens-LA-Tide

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I am telling you guys, when Bama presents the offer to Spurrier.he will become very interested. His ego has toned down some. I know him,he plays golf with my son-in-law and he really is a decent guy. He has a small place in history at Florida but if he came to Bama and stayed a few years and won a couple of NC's, He would be in history as one of the great coaches. If he stayed at SC for ten years he want even get honorable mention...Make him the official offer and he will come. Bear's shadow will not phase him..

Speak it OT....Have that son-in-law work undercover for us ;).

If we make him a official offer and if he accepts....we will come too!!!!!

RTR
 

USCBAMA

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Re: IMO, it's gonna be P. Johnson

You are absolutely correct! I had forgotten all about Skip being on Lou's staff at ND.

Do you know if Skip or Urban got the chance to first use the offense?

Also, I cannot for the life of me remember the other guy that helped develope this offense? He went with Myer to BG, Utah and I think he is currently at UF.

I saw him several years ago speak at a clinic while they were at BG. It is revolutionary stuff.:BigA: :BigA: :BigA: :BigA:
Haev no idea, I actually got the info a few years ago when Skip still in Columbia with USC. Two local HS coaches were at one of our tailgates talking strategy and one said he that while having dinner with Skip that they had talked shop and he couldn't believe how much Skip knew. Skip had talked with him at length about he & UM working together developing the new offense when at ND. They had wanted to implement it at ND but no go from Papa Lou. He said Skip felt the possibilities were endless with the offense. Could be a great running offense one game and a great passing offesne the next game. He said to hear Skip talk and see his eyes lite up when discussing it, there was no doubt in his mind that Skip played an integral part in developing the offense. This was when UM still at Utah.

I also got to see RR run his offense at clemson a few times before moving on to WV. Tommy Bowden's best offenses at clemson were with RR running the show. It's an interesting offense but ultimately it does require a throwing qb who is also athletic and willing to get hit running the ball. Not like those guys are a dime a dozen.

I know Skip isn't quite seasoned enough for Bama to consider, but 5 years from now Bama may be kicking itself for not grabbing him while they could.
 

CrimsonMask

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My Official Statement.....

I want all of the CrimsonMask fans to hear me now; I am not leaving the tidefans.com message board to become the new Head Coach at Alabama.

I started with this board many years ago and while my post count was depleted a few years ago (some type of change over or something) I stayed here. Why? Because I believe in it.
I have a mission...I am sticking to that mission. That mission is to eventually have 300 posts. Then 400 posts. Then after that......500 posts.
This is my home. I am rooted here. My family likes me being here. I love it here.

So one more time.......(pretend I am looking you straight in the eyes).....I am not seeking to leave....nor have I been contacted about the HC job at the University of Alabama.


However....if MM calls.....I might have to listen.:biggrin2:

Until next time....
The CrimsonMask
ROLL TIDE!!!!!!
 

USCBAMA

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Re: IMO, it's gonna be P. Johnson

I was in Hawaii when Wagner was running the flex bone there in 89-90 and part of 91. they used to kill teams from the mainland coming over thinking they were gonna pound Hawaii and Hawaii ended up hanging 60 on them. BYU had just beat Miami earlier that year and came over to the islands and got 67 hung on them. innovative offense to say the least. who knows....where Mal is headed with this search thing. one thing is sure though, he needs to go on and get it over with. not drag around like he did last time with the hiring of Price and Shula.
Again, you actually have it backwards. If he comes to Bama, wins a couple of SEC titles and wins one national title, he has just equalled what Gene Stallings accomplished at Bama and is arguably still not in the top 3 of all-time Bama coaches.

If he just wins 2 SEC titles at USC then he has doubled the schools total number of conference titles (1 ACC title in 69) in its entire history and becomes the greatest coach in USC history and probably goes down as one of the top 5 coaches of all time for doing the impossible at South Carolina. If, Heaven forbid, he wins a NT at USC then Columbia is renamed Spurrierville and he becomes Governor for life of SC.
 

TideFan40

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I refuse to read every single one of the 6 million replies on this thread, so I was wondering......what are the thoughts on th OTHER stopps....mike....That is, if we don't get one of these colossal names that are being thrown arond??
 

crimsonaudio

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Hey, since we're seemingly throwing even the impossible names into the hat, why not go after Bill Belichick? The guy's got to be the greatest mind in football today.

I realize there's a 0% chance, but heck, that would rule...
 

zsim

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I am not one to start a rumor but there is alot of talk about spurrier's wife in T-town looking at houses. :conf3:
If I remember correctly -- Mrs. Spurrier was in Tuscaloosa for the Iron Bowl. I've heard from several people that it is a fact. Whether she came to the game to visit friends or for real estate, we'll never know...
 

RT3413

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If I remember correctly -- Mrs. Spurrier was in Tuscaloosa for the Iron Bowl. I've heard from several people that it is a fact. Whether she came to the game to visit friends or for real estate, we'll never know...
Her goddaughter lives here. They are very close. She didn't attend the game but was visiting family. She apparently has been to Tuscaloosa SEVERAL times this year and last year and previous to that.

He ain't coming.
 

FreeBro

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Re: My opinion/knowledge of whats going on.

You know I'm wrong how. It's your opinion that they aren't coming, while I'm posting fairly lax information regarding them even being interested. Whether they are or not, will be determined in the coming days.
My opinion is based on fact, the fact they said they were NOT interested and NOT coming.

What is fairly lax information?

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derek4tide

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Re: My opinion/knowledge of whats going on.

My opinion is based on fact, the fact they said they were NOT interested and NOT coming.
That's "coach speak." No coach, currently under contract, would ever say that he wanted to be considered for another school/job.:rolleyes:
 

scottsborobama

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Re: My opinion/knowledge of whats going on.

My opinion is based on fact, the fact they said they were NOT interested and NOT coming.

What is fairly lax information?

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Just a thought, but practically every coach in a similar situation is going to say the same thing.

I remember watching ESPN GameDay when they were in Utah a couple of years ago. Meyer's name was being heavily associated with Notre Dame & Florida. The GameDay crew asked him if he was considering those 2 schools and Meyer said no, that he was happy at Utah and had no reason to leave. He said the only thing he was thinking about was Utah's next game. Very shortly thereafter, Meyer was named the new coach at Florida.

Practically every time a coach is associated with another school's coaching search, he is going to say the same thing.
 

jeffs4thetide

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Sorry I can't reveal my source at this time. I can say they are a pretty large contributer to the University and have a skybox on the 40 yard line in which their is usually some pretty prominate people from the university there during games. So I feel pretty confident that this has some legs to it. So just take it for what it is worth right now. I just wanted to pass this along.

Spurrier is almost a done deal. There are/were two hang-ups in the process. One is the contract length. CSS does not want to commit to 10 years. Second is the confict of Brother Oliver possibly coming back after leaving to go to AU. These have now been resolved. It will include the same amount of money over a 7 year contract, meaning about 4.2 million a year. The Oliver thing has also now been cleared. Look for press conference to be announced very soon.
 

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