NCAA aims to fine-tune its Top Prospects Program: Interviewing J. Jones & T. Love

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Well, I can see from the lack of replies that all the other lawyers are taking Sunday off. First, these interviews are strictly voluntary. How could anyone sue for an action done voluntarily? Do you really think that UA, forget fans and taxpayers for the moment, could sue the NCAA if JJ volunteers to be interviewed? UA has no authority, in fact, to tell JJ not to be interviewed. Now, what happens if he says "no?" LD's answer is obvious. They figure you have something to hide, so UA would be inviting more scrutiny. In fact, the biggest stumbling block to member institutions wishing to sue the NCAA has been the problem that it is, in the end, a voluntary association, and the Supreme Court has ruled so. As for the "standing" issue, the courts have allowed the status of "having standing" to coaches, institutions and student-athletes. There have been attempts by third parties, alumni groups and the like, to intervene in suits involving the NCAA. They have all been thrown out. As for the idea that being a fan of a school or a taxpayer conferring standing, I don't even know where to start responding. All I can do is point out the nightmare that would result if every taxpayer or fan could have to standing to sue for each action by a governmental branch which he disagreed with. Tens of millions of suits and paralysis of the court system would result. As for appealing to the Supreme Court's being expensive, don't worry about that . It would be thrown out at the trial level, and the appeal from that would fail, so there's no hope of getting to the Supreme Court, which, in the end, only takes the cases it wants, with few exceptions, and this sort of suit is not one it would hear. So, in short, forget suits by fans...
 

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so... these guys are only asking 3 of the nations recruits and they are all from sec schools and 2 of them are bama bound..... what are the odds of that? im all in for "the death penalty" for the ncaa higher ups on this one. ok, say it turns out to be nothing? buit everyone who has lived a week in alabama knows about the death penalty that was handed down to bama by the nzaa's. rumor of this will spread pass the state and intimidate recruits. this is some jacked stuff. down with the ncaa. rtr:pDT_Armataz_01_36:
 

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Well, I can see from the lack of replies that all the other lawyers are taking Sunday off. First, these interviews are strictly voluntary. How could anyone sue for an action done voluntarily? Do you really think that UA, forget fans and taxpayers for the moment, could sue the NCAA if JJ volunteers to be interviewed? UA has no authority, in fact, to tell JJ not to be interviewed. Now, what happens if he says "no?" LD's answer is obvious. They figure you have something to hide, so UA would be inviting more scrutiny. In fact, the biggest stumbling block to member institutions wishing to sue the NCAA has been the problem that it is, in the end, a voluntary association, and the Supreme Court has ruled so. As for the "standing" issue, the courts have allowed the status of "having standing" to coaches, institutions and student-athletes. There have been attempts by third parties, alumni groups and the like, to intervene in suits involving the NCAA. They have all been thrown out. As for the idea that being a fan of a school or a taxpayer conferring standing, I don't even know where to start responding. All I can do is point out the nightmare that would result if every taxpayer or fan could have to standing to sue for each action by a governmental branch which he disagreed with. Tens of millions of suits and paralysis of the court system would result. As for appealing to the Supreme Court's being expensive, don't worry about that . It would be thrown out at the trial level, and the appeal from that would fail, so there's no hope of getting to the Supreme Court, which, in the end, only takes the cases it wants, with few exceptions, and this sort of suit is not one it would hear. So, in short, forget suits by fans...
Oo, haha, guess all you really can do is sit and wait..... maybe be cooperative and all the negative attention will go away. thanx for the clearing all that up. RTR
 

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As far as fans go, or even the school, in a case like this, that's correct. What were you proposing? Law suits again?
 

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before i read your post i was talking about lawsuits, but i was ignorant to the subject, and i understand now. but i just thought it was wierd how 40 atheletes in each department of athletics across the nation were being interviewed anually, and that it so happened that 2 of the highschool football recruits that are going to bama just so happened to get the call from the ncaa. i guess it was just the fact that in the article the high school coach had never heard of sit down talks with the ncaa before that, but down south there are 3 athletes, 2 of which are going to bama. just maybe its unfair in some way or another, not to mention that the other players/ recruits across the country were'nt contacted due to a busy work schedule. does any of that make since? or am i taking the article the wrong way? im not really worried about it all that much, just thought it was interesting. RTR:pDT_Aliboronz_25:
 

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Refusing to be interviewed isn't a tacit admission of guilt. It is an outright statement that you will exercise your rights. JJ & TL don't have to meet anyone and IMHO, shouldn't.

Talking with those goons will lead to no good. They have nothing and they should not be given the chance to manufacture anything.
 

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What I got from it was that the target the top 40, nationwide. I hate to say it, but, if you're going to run a sampling program like that, you'd certainly look twice at the school which came in with the #1 recruiting class. My guess would be that they interview as many of the top 40 (who was it who said "stars don't count?") as they have staff and time to cover. I certainly felt that it was more than three, although the NCAA rep was being coy with his comment. The coach they interviewed was basically clueless. He made the assumption that it must be aimed at the South, even though he admitted he knew nothing of the program. He probably never had any kid ranked that high before, which would explain his ignorance. I thought the inclusion of his remarks was poor, because it gave a false impression of the content of the article. If they were going to call this guy, then they should have taken the time to call several more, preferably guys at schools which had a number of top 40 kids over the years...
 

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Refusing to be interviewed isn't a tacit admission of guilt. It is an outright statement that you will exercise your rights. JJ & TL don't have to meet anyone and IMHO, shouldn't.

Talking with those goons will lead to no good. They have nothing and they should not be given the chance to manufacture anything.
Big time agree with your paras 1 and 2 and your earlier comments on the thread. Why run the risk of giving the wonderfully benign NCAA the time of day unnecessarily? Hope Jones' and Love's coaches know more than the one up North does and advise them to respectfully decline their invitations.

If all of the top 30 recruits (which probably includes Love) were contacted, I might feel a little better. Otherwise, 2 from BAMA plus Patrick Johnson leave me suspect of the NCAA and possibly a Sunshine State school as well.
 

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What I got from it was that the target the top 40, nationwide. I hate to say it, but, if you're going to run a sampling program like that, you'd certainly look twice at the school which came in with the #1 recruiting class. My guess would be that they interview as many of the top 40 (who was it who said "stars don't count?") as they have staff and time to cover. I certainly felt that it was more than three, although the NCAA rep was being coy with his comment. The coach they interviewed was basically clueless. He made the assumption that it must be aimed at the South, even though he admitted he knew nothing of the program. He probably never had any kid ranked that high before, which would explain his ignorance. I thought the inclusion of his remarks was poor, because it gave a false impression of the content of the article. If they were going to call this guy, then they should have taken the time to call several more, preferably guys at schools which had a number of top 40 kids over the years...

I not trying to be a jerk, but I don't see how his "assumption" is any different than your assumption that he has "never had any kid ranked that high before". Ohio is a state that is loaded with talent most years.
Also, I don't think it is a secret to anybody, that the NCAA and the media in general are biased when it comes to the south. They think they are smarter and better. I know that is generalization, but for the most part, it is true.
If I am not mistaken, couldn't the NCAA being doing something productive, like going after someone they know has cheated......Reggie Bush and USC.


ROLL TIDE !!!!
 

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Again, I'd point out that the article does not say how many of the top 40 are contacted. The NCAA spokesman just said that some might not be contacted because of time and staffing constraints. Nowhere does it say only three will be contacted...
 

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Again, I'd point out that the article does not say how many of the top 40 are contacted. The NCAA spokesman just said that some might not be contacted because of time and staffing constraints. Nowhere does it say only three will be contacted...
Probably didn't sound like it, but I realize that very probably more than 3 of the consensus top 40 recruits were contacted. If ALL of at least the top 30 were, I would be a lot less suspicious. However, if they were in any way cherry picked, the question as to why begs for an answer.

In any event, from an UA point of view, declining the interviews would seem the safest road to go down.
 

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Again, I'd point out that the article does not say how many of the top 40 are contacted. The NCAA spokesman just said that some might not be contacted because of time and staffing constraints. Nowhere does it say only three will be contacted...
That is true, Earle. However, Stacey Osburn also said that finding violations is not the intent of the program. From the newsletter I linked to earlier in the thread, we know that her statement is false. The fact that the program was used to unearth violations at OU in the 1980's further validates what this program is really about. It is run by the enforcement staff. That alone should color it the right shade of nasty.

Based on what we know about the Top Prospects program and its predecessor, we can safely conclude that Osburn is either lying about the intent of the program, or she is clueless. As a betting man, I'm laying odds on the former.

The NZAA is fishing. They don't have anything substantial, otherwise a PLOI would have been drafted and sent. What they do have are suspicions and innuendo. So they're using the only tool they have--an allegedly benign program of "educating" top prospects--to dig a little and see what turns up.

Both of our new recruits should politely, but very firmly and convincingly, decline to meet with the investigators in sheep's clothing.
 

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This is fun but , it seems like many are missing a key point in all of this . If any other schools or staffs offered the players anything or recruited our guys in an illegal manner , the nc2a will get 1st hand accounts and testimony on record ......... GREAT !
How's the ol' texter working , Urban ? :p_blank:
 

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This is fun but , it seems like many are missing a key point in all of this . If any other schools or staffs offered the players anything or recruited our guys in an illegal manner , the nc2a will get 1st hand accounts and testimony on record ......... GREAT !
How's the ol' texter working , Urban ? :p_blank:
That would be a possible positive but knowing how corrupt the NZAA is even if they found stuff like that happening with our recruits what's the likelihood that they would even do anything about it??? I'd say slim to none, and slim isn't even really in the picture! I think it would be great if Tyler and Julio told them to shove it! God I hate the NZAA!!! :mad:
 

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I agree with you but , there's always the possibilty our guys could have some 1st hand knowledge of something that might cause a coach or a few out there to end up being restricted on the recruiting front . Doubtful but , still a possibility . :cool:
 

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Don't you think top coaches like Saban, Meyer, Miles, etc are aware of this program? Don't you know that the high school coaches probably call the head college coach their kid signed with as soon as they hang up with the NCAA? Wouldn't you also think that Meyer, Saban and Miles, etc also have a pretty good idea by now what questions the NCAA asks, and don't you think they could easily communicate to their signees what to expect and how to answer? Seems like a smart coach who has good relationships with the high school coaches could easily be as dirty as they wanted and not worry about this NCAA tactic. Would be easy to defeat with one phone call to the signee before the NCAA interview. I'm guessing Saban is well aware of this program, and I'm betting someone from UA has talked with Tyler and Julio, or will before their interview. Not that there is anything to hide, but just to let them know what to expect so they don't say anything the NCAA could take and run with. At least that's my hope.
 

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..... Seems like a smart coach who has good relationships with the high school coaches could easily be as dirty as they wanted and not worry about this NCAA tactic.
It's not that the coaches are all crooked , they make mistakes fairly often . Coaches being reprimanded for illegal contact is not that uncommon . I think 4 SEC coaches were either reported or self-reported this past year for illegal contact . I'm not worried about us , I'm suspicious as to just how close "the inventor" down south is pushing it to the limits .
 

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