Immigration and Customs Enforcement (I.C.E.)

[some_al_fan]

Once again you missed the end of the post. I followed by saying then we can have a real guest worker program that could be run well and bring people in above board, vetted, and with a system to follow. Doesn't that sound like a better plan? Because so far your idea seems to be more of the same and ignore the law.

You seem to be in the open borders camp of hey everyone come on in. That's not working and is a foolish idea.

Could you please clarify the relationship between the work visa program and asylum? They are entirely separate entities, and you seem to be missing that point.
Yes, the work visa program is essential, but it is unrelated to asylum.

 

[some_al_fan]

Remain in Mexico was a sound policy that worked. Of course, the census can’t count them down there and that’s a problem for one side of the aisle.

Another myth, not backed by data, is that illegals help democrats to gain more congressional seats.

 

[crimsonaudio]

I get the point of the post - let’s build the barbed wire around the country and don’t allow anyone to come in. Let’s all forget that Albert Einstein and Henry Kissinger were once granted asylum in this country.

I love the way people act like the roofers and pickers crossing the border illegally or falsely claiming asylum are the next astronauts and architects of our future.

 

[92tide]

Another myth, not backed by data, is that illegals help democrats to gain more congressional seats.

that is a version of the “great replacement theory”, its use is a great example of tribal signaling

 

[some_al_fan]

I love the way people act like the roofers and pickers crossing the border illegally or falsely claiming asylum are the next astronauts and architects of our future.

I can’t say that I like how people confuse roofers & pickers (and that is where we need a robust work visa program) with legitimate asylum seekers who indeed have a chance to build the next rocket.
You can start by googling how many Soviet Physicists were granted asylum status.
Or we can talk about Andy Grove, one of the founders of Intel ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Grove ), or Sergey Brin.
And so on….

 

[crimsonaudio]

I can’t say that I like how people confuse roofers & pickers (and that is where we need a robust work visa program) with legitimate asylum seekers who indeed have a chance to build the next rocket.
You can start by googling how many Soviet Physicists were granted asylum status.
Or we can talk about Andy Grove, one of the founders of Intel ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Grove ), or Sergey Brin.
And so on….

Yes, a vast majority of those you've listed were already educated, accomplished people. No one I know has an issue with granting asylum to those legitimately seeking it, especially those who are already academically or professionally accomplished.

Further, Tom Homan has repeatedly stated that 9/10 of asylum seekers are rejected by the judge and given orders of removal.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I love the way people act like the roofers and pickers crossing the border illegally or falsely claiming asylum are the next astronauts and architects of our future.

I wish they'd have that same stance about unborn babies...

 

[some_al_fan]

Yes, a vast majority of those you've listed were already educated, accomplished people. No one I know has an issue with granting asylum to those legitimately seeking it, especially those who are already academically or professionally accomplished.

My original reply (that you’ve replied to) was to a poster who wanted to put all asylum seekers in jail at the time of their asylum application. You can see that post on the previous page.

Further, Tom Homan has repeatedly stated that 9/10 of asylum seekers are rejected by the judge and given orders of removal.

Tom Homan is lying (which is unfortunately typical of this Administration).
Here are the numbers. ~35% are being granted asylum.



Source:

Asylum Grant Rates Decline by a Third

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[jthomas666]

You once again missed the point of the post. If they know they will be held they won't come, and then you can work through the backlog. You also give them the option to withdraw the request and go home.

Then you could have a legit guest worker program that could function well. It probably wouldn't because we can't seem to run anything well no matter which party is in power.

Some might not come, but others might say, hey, I'll be safe and fed for a few years at least.

 

[jthomas666]

I can’t say that I like how people confuse roofers & pickers (and that is where we need a robust work visa program) with legitimate asylum seekers who indeed have a chance to build the next rocket.
You can start by googling how many Soviet Physicists were granted asylum status.
Or we can talk about Andy Grove, one of the founders of Intel ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Grove ), or Sergey Brin.
And so on….

 

[Its On A Slab]

I love the way people act like the roofers and pickers crossing the border illegally or falsely claiming asylum are the next astronauts and architects of our future.

The biggest people complaining about people crossing the border to take jobs in roofing, meatpacking, fruit-picking, and other jobs that 'Murcans are clamoring to do.

They took 'er 'jerbs!!!

They took our Jobs! #southpark #southparkfracturedbutwhole

www.youtube.com

 

[crimsonaudio]

The biggest people complaining about people crossing the border to take jobs in roofing, meatpacking, fruit-picking, and other jobs that 'Murcans are clamoring to do.

In many cases they did. Americans won't work hard physical jobs for peanuts, nor should they.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

In many cases they did. Americans won't work hard physical jobs for peanuts, nor should they.

Most Americans aren't willing to sell their homes, rent a two-bedroom apartment, and pile their entire family inside of it so they can accept a much lesser wage than the next guy. But like you said, they shouldn't have to do that...

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

Most Americans aren't willing to sell their homes, rent a two-bedroom apartment, and pile their entire family inside of it so they can accept a much lesser wage than the next guy. But like you said, they shouldn't have to do that...

To be fair, no one should have to do that

 

[Bamabuzzard]

To be fair, no one should have to do that

I agree, but when you have people volunteering and willing to do it (immigrants) then it throws a monkey wrench in the job market for the "lazy 'Mur-ruh-cuns" who selfishly won't do the same.

Before I got married, I lived in an apartment complex where a big part of the units were occupied by Mexicans. They would pile five, six, to seven people in a two-bedroom apartment and work for the construction companies and roofers in the area. They'd work for a much lower wage and no benefits. When you've got people within your field willing to do that, it puts you in a not-so-favorable position.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Particularly with continuing climate shift, I honestly question whether average white Americans, with average pigmentation, can even do some of the jobs where immigrants are found. I'm thinking of construction, field work, that sort of thing...

 

[75thru79]

Particularly with continuing climate shift, I honestly question whether average white Americans, with average pigmentation, can even do some of the jobs where immigrants are found. I'm thinking of construction, field work, that sort of thing...

I'm not sure what pigmentation would have to do with the ability to perform hard, physical labor. It's just plain hard work to do landscaping, construction, type jobs regardless of your skin color. Sunscreen can limit the damage from UV rays. The reason most Americans don't want to do these jobs is because it's hard to make a living off the money the business owners are willing to pay and you are competing against a cadre of people who bring nothing to the table, skill-wise, other than a working human body.

 

[JDCrimson]

Indeed, if this were true Texas would have stayed blue all this time...

Another myth, not backed by data, is that illegals help democrats to gain more congressional seats.

 

[JDCrimson]

I would like to see the various western hemisphere nations declare the drug cartels as terrorists and take the fight to their doorstep. I think this is a significant underlying cause of our immigration whether trying to avoid the cartels through asylum or profit from them acting trafficking mules.

But then we would need a whole bunch of courts and government employees in law enforcement...

Anyone ever studied the GDP supported by the drug trade in our country?

 

[75thru79]

Indeed, if this were true Texas would have stayed blue all this time...

With all due respect, immigrants are counted in the census and the counts are used to apportion house seats, so yes, it will have an effect on elections. It all boils down to how big of an affect and which party would benefit the most from the immigrant vote.