Trump Attacks Iran, IV

Blah, blah, blah, blah. Run your mouth MTG, because that's all you can do now.

I may agree with a lot of this post, but why not stay in Congress and vote against this stuff instead of tucking tail and running? Oh, that's right, she didn't have the guts to stay and go on record voting against Trump and MAGA.
 

Trump says US military will reimpose blockade on Iranian ports​

The U.S. military is reimposing a blockade on Iranian ports, President Donald Trump said Monday, taking away the last major concession to Tehran that had helped foster a ceasefire and significantly escalating the conflict.

“We are reinstating the THE IRANIAN BLOCKADE, so named because it is only stopping Iran’s ships or customers from entering or leaving. All other countries will have fair and open use of the Strait,” Trump wrote on Truth Social on Monday.

The president also said the United States will charge 20 percent “on all cargo shipped, for any and all costs necessary to do the job of providing safety and security to this very volatile section of the World.” A 20 percent fee on all cargo would be a major new tax on global energy flows and would drive up the cost of the world’s oil and gas. About a fifth of the world’s oil supply flowed through the strait before the war began in February.
 
Have you ever read "Japanese Destroyer Captain?" I'm reading it now. He was promoted off shore duty to, I think, to a light cruiser to escort Yamato to Okinawa, and was sunk again, as he had been as a destroyer skipper. It's a fascinating read so far, scathing in its view of Japan and its leadership...
One wonders if they had read Clausewitz. I mean, by 1944, what is Japan continuing the fighting for? What was within the realm of possibility by that late stage?
 
The president also said the United States will charge 20 percent “on all cargo shipped, for any and all costs necessary to do the job of providing safety and security to this very volatile section of the World.” A 20 percent fee on all cargo would be a major new tax on global energy flows and would drive up the cost of the world’s oil and gas. About a fifth of the world’s oil supply flowed through the strait before the war began in February.
What an idiot.
 
One wonders if they had read Clausewitz. I mean, by 1944, what is Japan continuing the fighting for? What was within the realm of possibility by that late stage?
It's incredibly complex. It's quasi religious, maybe not even "quasi." It's ancestor worship (mostly mythical) transferred to emperor worship. Only he could have ended it and did. I'm sometimes amazed the atomic bombs and Russia's entry into the war stopped them. They wouldn't have, without Hirohito. From all this, you can infer that I've had the same questions and also that it's way too complex to get into here. You would find it very interesting. They read Clausewitz. It's just that, at a certain point, they found him irrelevant. Start with the fact that that their army and navy descend from two rival Samurai warlords and hated each other, even through the war - it's fascinating...
 
I'm conservative as the day is long, bordering on libertarian in some aspects, and if you've read my posts you know that. Saying that this Iran war/military action is the dumbest thing I've seen in a long time. It may be dumber than Biden's pull out of Afghanistan, the question still remains how much he knew of what was actually happening, but it was his administration.

Who in the world was siting in the room when this Iran thing was dreamed up? Was there no one there to explain that the only way to deal with the Iranian regime was to either kill them all and launch a full scale invasion, and by kill them all I mean the entire leadership, military, IRGC, and the majority of the fighting age men. The Big Red One, The First Armored Division, the 82nd and 101st Airborne, The Old Breed, too name a few, and the rest of our elite special forces units would have to roll into Tehran and blow the entire place up. Then you would need to occupy it for years, and no one wants to do that. The cost in blood from just our service members alone would be way more than we could bear. Then you throw in the cost, and dear Lord the casualties the Iranian people would take. It would easily be in the millions if not 10 million. It would be enormous. It's simply not something we should do in any capacity.

Your other option is leave them alone. Understand they will bluster and boast and just ignore the idiots. If they do ever get a bomb and use it then all bets are off. It could be really bad, but that is something you would have to weigh the outcomes of.

A third and probably best option is to monitor what they are doing and if necessary drop a bomb on some specific target to delay their nuclear capability if you absolutely have to. You include your allies in the Middle East and Europe on this. You don't necessarily tell the day and time and tactical details, but you develop a plan that they know could be executed and all parties are aware of a general stance. Think what was done with the B-2's a while back. You understand you can't destroy all their capacity, but you slow it when absolutely necessary.

We aren't dealing with sane actors. They are as talked about above very similar to the Japanese in WW2. I think they are even more fanatical if really want the truth of it. It all boils down to the version of Islam they are adhering to. It's as radical a form as there is. This leads them to not make the same sane decisions that most other countries would make. They don't care about the economy of Iran. They don't care about the citizens of the country, and in many cases the leadership and IRGC don't care about their own lives either. You kill one guy another one just steps into his shoes and continues the same policies and actions.

They don't think like us or look at the world like we do. This means we can't deal with them like we dealt with Venezuela or even the old USSR. They don't live in that world. The people of Iran can't overthrow the government even if they wanted to do so. They will just kill them in the streets by the tens of thousands if necessary. If you don't understand your adversary you can't properly deal with them. This isn't just a Trump problem. Obama and Biden thought they could reason with them and give them money and make nice. They tried to go in the other direction. They aren't your friend and they never will be. They hate us and want to see us all dead or converted to their brand of Islam. That's the only thing they understand, violence and force, and if you go hard at them you have to be ready to go all the way and stack the bodies, and I don't want to do that. Iraq and Afghanistan showed us you can't Westernize a people that at their heart don't want or share Western values. It's a square peg and a round hole. So stop trying to slam the wrong peg in the wrong hole. My God it's just not that hard to figure out. Islam isn't the friend of the left or the right in American political terms. They want us all dead or converted. They are willing to die and see the populations of their country decimated to stay true to the ideology.
 
I'm conservative as the day is long, bordering on libertarian in some aspects, and if you've read my posts you know that. Saying that this Iran war/military action is the dumbest thing I've seen in a long time. It may be dumber than Biden's pull out of Afghanistan, the question still remains how much he knew of what was actually happening, but it was his administration.

Who in the world was siting in the room when this Iran thing was dreamed up? Was there no one there to explain that the only way to deal with the Iranian regime was to either kill them all and launch a full scale invasion, and by kill them all I mean the entire leadership, military, IRGC, and the majority of the fighting age men. The Big Red One, The First Armored Division, the 82nd and 101st Airborne, The Old Breed, too name a few, and the rest of our elite special forces units would have to roll into Tehran and blow the entire place up. Then you would need to occupy it for years, and no one wants to do that. The cost in blood from just our service members alone would be way more than we could bear. Then you throw in the cost, and dear Lord the casualties the Iranian people would take. It would easily be in the millions if not 10 million. It would be enormous. It's simply not something we should do in any capacity.

Your other option is leave them alone. Understand they will bluster and boast and just ignore the idiots. If they do ever get a bomb and use it then all bets are off. It could be really bad, but that is something you would have to weigh the outcomes of.

A third and probably best option is to monitor what they are doing and if necessary drop a bomb on some specific target to delay their nuclear capability if you absolutely have to. You include your allies in the Middle East and Europe on this. You don't necessarily tell the day and time and tactical details, but you develop a plan that they know could be executed and all parties are aware of a general stance. Think what was done with the B-2's a while back. You understand you can't destroy all their capacity, but you slow it when absolutely necessary.

We aren't dealing with sane actors. They are as talked about above very similar to the Japanese in WW2. I think they are even more fanatical if really want the truth of it. It all boils down to the version of Islam they are adhering to. It's as radical a form as there is. This leads them to not make the same sane decisions that most other countries would make. They don't care about the economy of Iran. They don't care about the citizens of the country, and in many cases the leadership and IRGC don't care about their own lives either. You kill one guy another one just steps into his shoes and continues the same policies and actions.

They don't think like us or look at the world like we do. This means we can't deal with them like we dealt with Venezuela or even the old USSR. They don't live in that world. The people of Iran can't overthrow the government even if they wanted to do so. They will just kill them in the streets by the tens of thousands if necessary. If you don't understand your adversary you can't properly deal with them. This isn't just a Trump problem. Obama and Biden thought they could reason with them and give them money and make nice. They tried to go in the other direction. They aren't your friend and they never will be. They hate us and want to see us all dead or converted to their brand of Islam. That's the only thing they understand, violence and force, and if you go hard at them you have to be ready to go all the way and stack the bodies, and I don't want to do that. Iraq and Afghanistan showed us you can't Westernize a people that at their heart don't want or share Western values. It's a square peg and a round hole. So stop trying to slam the wrong peg in the wrong hole. My God it's just not that hard to figure out. Islam isn't the friend of the left or the right in American political terms. They want us all dead or converted. They are willing to die and see the populations of their country decimated to stay true to the ideology.

The JCPOA was working fairly well until Trump unilaterally withdrew. It was not perfect (defining perfection as Iran never having a functional nuclear device) but represented a reasonable scenario versus Iran forging ahead and ignoring all peaceful efforts to constrain them. All of this current debacle had been wargamed and nobody with a lick of tactial military sense would ever have recommended we start the current war. This is the arrogance and idiocy of Trump, Hegseth, and their handpicked officials who are constitutionally incapable of listening to anyone else and accepting they don't know what they don't know in action. Problem is... The same scenario is being played out in every facet of the government. They are dismantling the FDA, CDC, and NIH without any understanding of how they are linch pins for drug safety, disease control, and the development of new therapies. Trump and his lackeys seem to not realize (or don't care) how much damage they are causing and how it will effect us in the future. They see only the grifting possibilities...
 
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