Somewhere Jeremy Elder is wishing he was enrolled @ UT. They should all be gone.
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3 UT players arrested last night
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It will be interesting how lame handles this. My cousin and I went to the ut/usc game last month and all we heard from the ut fans is how lame doesn't put up with any bull from his players. What I have come to learn from watching coaches coming into a new program is that they are usually real tough on the previous coaches players but when they get their own in they back off of the no tolerance policy.
You dont have Kramer watching your back, you have a over zealous loud mouth coach, and Orgeron. It will be interesting to say the least.
There was an interesting post over on the VolChat board about some prior "incidences" with Jackson. If these things are true, and truthfully no one outside of Kiffin, the AD dept, and the KPD, knows for sure, but it seems the kid has some issues that keep putting him in questionable situations, even prior to this one.
Also, what I find it really surprising no one is willing to give NuKeese and the other guy Edwards the benefit of the doubt like they are with Jackson, yet it seems Jackson is no angel either, even by most Vol fans perception. Everyone on their boards are saying, kick the other two off, keep Jackson. All day thats what I've heard and read, even without them knowing all the facts. Yet they were all there and participated in some degree in what happened.
If Kiffin is indeed going to change the "attitude" up there, he is going to have tread carefully on this one, because its clear if he makes the wrong decision in the way its handled, the door is open to further "incidents" without regard to discipline, and this type of thing won't go away.
Also, what I find it really surprising no one is willing to give NuKeese and the other guy Edwards the benefit of the doubt like they are with Jackson, yet it seems Jackson is no angel either, even by most Vol fans perception. Everyone on their boards are saying, kick the other two off, keep Jackson. All day thats what I've heard and read, even without them knowing all the facts. Yet they were all there and participated in some degree in what happened.
If Kiffin is indeed going to change the "attitude" up there, he is going to have tread carefully on this one, because its clear if he makes the wrong decision in the way its handled, the door is open to further "incidents" without regard to discipline, and this type of thing won't go away.
Yeah, JJ puzzles me...He seems like that type that puts himself in some really stupid spots...Unlike people like Nuke or Lemarcus Coker or James Banks, I dont get the impression he's a trouble-maker...He seems like the type to me that will grow up and be successful, and that he's just immature right now...I think the difference in him and the others I named is I dont think the others will ever learn a lesson and I think they are bad news...I'm not sure that's the case with JJ, but the problem is, I don't know if he will grow up fast enough to stay around...
I think you hit the nail on the head right there. That is what baby Kiff just doesn't get. Coaches are supposed to be men who demonstrate the rewards of hard work and character to their student athletes. Baby Kiff demonstrates a spoiled cry-baby who makes excuses instead of accepting responsibility. It doesn't bother me one bit if UT wants to continue having that dude as the representative of their program. He may get some wins here and there. He almost had one against us. However, he will bring far more embarrassment than any pride a few wins might produce.
Nah he just likes to drive around in a car full of drugs, and of course likes his weed.
Tennessee, your sigfile has taken on a whole new meaning!
Kiffin is waiting to see who he'll be able to salvage from this, obviously. JJ is most likely the only one who has a chance of every playing football again, but if he can find any way to salvage him, he will.
Really, the only way Kiffin doesn't come off badly is if he boots all three - right or wrong, allowing any of the three back on will leave a black eye on the university, as most people aren't going to follow the story past "3 volunteers arrested for armed robbery"...
I feel sorry for the UT. players, but they made their own beds...:conf2:
This is not something where you can be 'a little gulity', you either are or you aren't.
I'm not sure 'A silver tounged Devil' can get these guys out of the mess they created.
That Said:
It's better to have a good lawyer than a pit bull.
(One gets you out of trouble, the other can get you in...)
You gotta know which is which.
This is not something where you can be 'a little gulity', you either are or you aren't.
I'm not sure 'A silver tounged Devil' can get these guys out of the mess they created.
That Said:
It's better to have a good lawyer than a pit bull.
(One gets you out of trouble, the other can get you in...)
You gotta know which is which.
All these UT fans arguing that JJ was inside the store and didn't know anything about the robbery. That doesn't pass the smell test.
You pull into a store's parking lot with some friends and go inside. You come back out and your friends are holding a couple of guys at gunpoint. The first words out of your mouth? We've got to go? He knew about the gun, he knew about the robbery, and he knew about the drugs.
I hope they do leave him on the team. I can hear the jokes now....hide your wallet, Jackson's in the game. Don't tackle me, I'm broke. Etc.
You pull into a store's parking lot with some friends and go inside. You come back out and your friends are holding a couple of guys at gunpoint. The first words out of your mouth? We've got to go? He knew about the gun, he knew about the robbery, and he knew about the drugs.
I hope they do leave him on the team. I can hear the jokes now....hide your wallet, Jackson's in the game. Don't tackle me, I'm broke. Etc.
IMO there are two things that need to happen. First, Kiffin needs to leave all 3 players in Knoxville for the Ole Miss game. Second, he should keep them on suspension until all the facts are in and a decision can be made as to their guilt or innocence.
Solid. Let's assume that one is more innocent than the others. All three broke team rules and the legal system can pare out the particulars. LK will do himself and his team nothing but harm if any of them play this weekend.
This "JJ" is a innocent bystander stuff from the Vol fans sounds more than a little desperate.
Kiffen: “Unfortunately there was an incident. We made it 11 months and 11 days without any. But we’ll deal with this as information comes in.” (Status of three UT football players arrested on hold GoVolsXtra) The headline of the article says all you need to know about Kiffen.
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We are not saying he's an innocent bystander...He was in the car at 2AM on the Strip, and there was pot in the car...Those two points right there throw out the "innocent bystander" status...We're just saying that there's a very good chance he knew nothing about the robbery (and some info is even saying he tried to stop the other two from doing it)...If the latter is the caes, I do not think that warrants kicking JJ off the team
Here's CLK's dilemma...If JJ truly had nothing to do with the robbery, then IMO, he doesn't deserve to be kicked off, but he does deserve to be suspended for the rest of year, if for no other reason that stupidity...Problem is, if he doesn't kick him off, the negative recruiting and the national media are going to be brutal bc they aren't going to tell the story that JJ had nothing to do with it bc people recruiting against us don't want others to know that and it doesnt make a good story in the media...They are going to say that JJ got to stay on the team bc he is the future All-American candidate...So becomes the question, do you kick him off for PR (even if he may not deserve it)?
I have no idea (nor does anyone other than those three and probably the coaches by this point) what happened...So, I want to be clear that I'm not saying JJ had nothing to do with it, I'm just throwing out the scenario of "what if" he had nothing to do with it?
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