I didn't make the initial claim. It's your responsibility to back up your assertion.
However, the justification is bodily autonomy, not the tragic 20% to which you refer.
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However, the justification is bodily autonomy, not the tragic 20% to which you refer.
Fine, just leave the government out of the decision.
Another newer study that says the same Here's another where 64% have multiple reasons for abortion, which don't include in rape, incest, or leaving an abusive relationship.
I have consistently used the word "unprotected", as in I don't expect abstinence. I expect due diligence, male and female, because I'm being told having an abortion is a harrowing experience, yet so many women are lining up to have them.
Are you really going with the statistic that birth control is only 50% effective? There would be far more people around if that were the case. Probably some fibbing going on in that study.
The government is involved no matter which way you turn. The government is either forcing you to allow it, or the citizens are allowed to vote on the legality of abortion.
In regards to the citizens voting, even Alabama has laws that protect the mother in certain circumstances.
No one has ever claimed here that a majority of abortions are due to sexual assault of any kind.
Cool. I think we agree here that unwanted pregnancies should be prevented whenever possible.
That's not quite how that statistic works. I'm not sure how you got to that conclusion from what was said, so I don't know how to help you understand it better other than to just say that the research was not on people using birth control (from which a good study could potentially reach a conclusion about birth control failure rates) but rather was research on the percent of women having an abortion who used birth control in the month prior to becoming pregnant. Even in the study I link below showing the >50% number it is not entirely clear if the method(s) employed were used perfectly. The usefulness despite that limitation is that we are looking at real world scenarios where BC use is not perfect. I most likely agree with you that perfection is a laudable goal since it would prevent unwanted pregnancies, but the real world is much sloppier than perfection.
Reported contraceptive use in the month of becoming pregnant among U.S. abortion patients in 2000 and 2014 - PMC
The objective was to determine whether types of contraceptive methods used by abortion patients in the month they became pregnant changed between 2000 and 2014. We used secondary data from the 2000 (n=10,015) and 2014 (8177) Abortion Patient ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
That last paragraph might seem a throwaway line, but if you ask me it's one of the more important statements from the study. Sex education can go a long way in preventing unwanted pregnancies and abortions.
That's an interesting spin. I guess the same can be said for gun rights, free speech, voting, and just about every other aspect of our lives. So much for that idea of small government, huh?
That's like saying the government is forcing you to allow people to go to church or to speak or to vote.
ETA:
Quotng:
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men
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So in a sense you are technically correct.
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Thank God, we all only have one vote a piece...
The self-righteous want to regulate everyone to their moral standard. The permissive want to be let alone while allowing the self-righteous to be self-righteous unto themselves. Please help us understand why the policy of "you do you" is so bad for everyone?
The self-righteous want to regulate everyone to their moral standard. The permissive want to be let alone while allowing the self-righteous to be self-righteous unto themselves. Please help us understand why the policy of "you do you" is so bad for everyone?
Which is a big part of my point since the majority of our governments, Federal and states, are composed of men. Personally, I find it relevant that, medically speaking, the mother's life comes first since the life of the fetus is dependent on hers. And do remember that there are more than a few in power who want access to birth control to be illegal, too. I'm not speaking of people commenting here. Clearly most of us consider birth control pretty important. As to whether or not we have access to it, men also have some say in that via your votes in elections.
Why don't we put the blame for most elective abortions at the feet of the one's who are really responsible: men and boys.
If a man is not 100% willing to raise a baby/child, then he has no business having sex in the first place. And if she's not a 100% willing participant, then again, you should not be having sex with her. And if you don't understand birth control, aren't willing to raise a child, AND you don't understand how birth control works, how it fails, then again, you shouldn't be having sex. And, we simply must make men understand these topics before they make the mistake of fertilizing an egg they aren't man enough to take care of.
The whole abortion issue to me is purely a deep deflection of a man's true responsibility, understanding, and guilt and wanting to put the blame on the woman for the man's mistakes.
If a man is not 100% willing to raise a baby/child, then he has no business having sex in the first place. And if she's not a 100% willing participant, then again, you should not be having sex with her. And if you don't understand birth control, aren't willing to raise a child, AND you don't understand how birth control works, how it fails, then again, you shouldn't be having sex. And, we simply must make men understand these topics before they make the mistake of fertilizing an egg they aren't man enough to take care of.
The whole abortion issue to me is purely a deep deflection of a man's true responsibility, understanding, and guilt and wanting to put the blame on the woman for the man's mistakes.
Why isn't the man always discussing "What would happen if..." with a woman before he has sex with her? We don't hear the critics asking that question very much. The woman is blamed instead. It takes two to tango.
I don't understand the notion that the government is forcing people to "allow" abortions.
My whole thought is: If you don't like abortion, don't have one. It's not that complicated. Nobody in the guv'ment is telling you to have one.
My whole thought is: If you don't like abortion, don't have one. It's not that complicated. Nobody in the guv'ment is telling you to have one.
The Arkansas Supreme Court recently ruled that a pro-choice referendum could not be placed on the fall ballot due to errors in the signature submission process. Here is an analysis of the court's ruling.
Note: the author, Adam Unikowsky, clerked for Antonin Scalia.
adamunikowsky.substack.com
Note: the author, Adam Unikowsky, clerked for Antonin Scalia.
They didn't submit a photocopy that wasn't required
Why abortion won't be on the Arkansas ballot in November
In a sexual assault situation, you are 100% correct. If the sex is consensual then where does the woman's agency magically go? They are both responsible equally. Does she not have an equal responsibility when it comes to birth control? Does she not have an equal responsibility to raise the child and be responsible just like he should? The blame is equally at both sets of feet in a consensual situation. Your post demeans women from the standpoint that it questions their ability to be responsible for their actions and seems to question their ability to make rational decisions. You might want to rethink your position.
I'm not demeaning anyone except for men who don't take full 100% responsibility for their mistakes, men's lack of care and concern for their actions. It's exceedingly rare for men to be assaulted by women that ends up creating a pregnancy, etc.
Iowa requires a 2/3rds majority of both houses of the legislature in order to get a referendum on the ballot. Since both houses are dominated by Republicans, they will never let an abortion referendum end up on the ballot. The party of freedom.The Arkansas Supreme Court recently ruled that a pro-choice referendum could not be placed on the fall ballot due to errors in the signature submission process. Here is an analysis of the court's ruling.
Note: the author, Adam Unikowsky, clerked for Antonin Scalia.
They didn't submit a photocopy that wasn't required
Why abortion won't be on the Arkansas ballot in November
I hold the man 100% responsible for the woman getting pregnant. The man is almost always the instigator. If the woman seduces the man, well, that would be different. Without getting too graphic, it’s almost always the man that makes the first move. Once the water starts boiling, there’s no turning back unless the woman says no. If she does, it’s over.
If both are consenting adults, then both are responsible.
they don't even bother trying to appear straight and honest. but it's uncivil to point out that these arbiters of "god's will" on earth are lying pieces of crapThe Arkansas Supreme Court recently ruled that a pro-choice referendum could not be placed on the fall ballot due to errors in the signature submission process. Here is an analysis of the court's ruling.
Note: the author, Adam Unikowsky, clerked for Antonin Scalia.
They didn't submit a photocopy that wasn't required
Why abortion won't be on the Arkansas ballot in November
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