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ACC and PAC 12 Demise seems close (FSU officially stating intentions to fight ACC Grant of Rights… Clemson sues the ACC)

CajunCrimson said:
Wow. Thought the Desert Swarm teams had made at least one.
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Nope. The best they ever did was the Fiesta Bowl. There was one season, I think 1998, where they finished 12-1. But their one loss was to Cade McNown and UCLA, and the Bruins went to the Rose Bowl while Arizona went to the Holiday Bowl.

The new Big 12 will not have a single “blue blood” type program. But they’ve got a bunch of midlevel teams that will make a competitive conference. It will be a really good basketball league.
 
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KrAzY3 said:
It's a good point, but flip that around. What if the Pac-12 hadn't? They'd still have a future in some form, right?

So, it was a survival move that showed the Big 12 was going to do what it took.
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The PAC 12 was really limited from the getgo. They modeled themselves after the B1G as an academic and Olympic type conference, and let’s face it… there isn’t many of those type universities. My question is “who could they realistically gotten this time around?” Really Boise and BYU, but let’s face it… BYU was never going to happen.

The PAC 12’s only chance of long term survival probably was bowing to Texas in 2011, but even that’s a stretch with how fickle Texas is about money deals.
 
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TideEngineer08 said:
Nope. The best they ever did was the Fiesta Bowl. There was one season, I think 1998, where they finished 12-1. But their one loss was to Cade McNown and UCLA, and the Bruins went to the Rose Bowl while Arizona went to the Holiday Bowl.

The new Big 12 will not have a single “blue blood” type program. But they’ve got a bunch of midlevel teams that will make a competitive conference. It will be a really good basketball league.
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Unless you count basketball they really don’t have a team with a long history of success. However I would argue as a whole… they probably successfully got stronger as a conference in 2 years by being proactive.
 
GrayTide said:
I think you are right, at least from the standpoint of Cincinnati and UCF. Houston and BYU are better additions, but not by much than the other two. The addition of Arizona, ASU, Colorado, and Utah does make it a legitimate conference. So Cal, Stanford, Oregon State, and Washington State could be candidates for the MWC, although Cal and Stanford might get better looks.
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Cal… I honestly don’t know how they fit into the new world. I think they might come with someone else to the Big XII… maybe a Boise type program who adds nothing but is craving for an invite.

Stanford could be the program that breaks everything up because if the B1G wants ND then adding Stanford really makes that more of a possibility. ND isn’t going to be willing to lose all of their historic rivalries just because the B1G’s schedule doesn’t permit it.
 
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81usaf92 said:
The PAC 12 was really limited from the getgo. They modeled themselves after the B1G as an academic and Olympic type conference, and let’s face it… there isn’t many of those type universities. My question is “who could they realistically gotten this time around?” Really Boise and BYU, but let’s face it… BYU was never going to happen.

The PAC 12’s only chance of long term survival probably was bowing to Texas in 2011, but even that’s a stretch with how fickle Texas is about money deals.
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Well, I would point out that the Big 12 survived twice by adding programs outside the power 5 (and the Pac-12 actually did that with Utah) but after they lost USC and UCLA there really didn't seem to be many good options, especially if they wanted to avoid religious institutions.

If you turn back the clock and take their snobbery out of the equation, they certainly has plenty of chances to solidify their conference. Programs like BYU, TCU, and Boise St. might not have been great additions but if they were all in the Pac-12 right now it would still have a pulse.

But... to your point even if we assume they couldn't add Texas, the right move was to pounce on the Big 12 when Texas and Oklahoma packed their bags. They could have added Kansas and Texas Tech for instance, in doing so make the move east (and have games in the central time zone) and open up other possibilities for expansion, but just the addition of those two teams would have deprived the Big 12 of two of their most powerful programs while certainly raising that paltry 20 million per year offer.

To me it's a bit like the ACC sitting things out right now instead of figuring out a move to make. It leaves them vulnerable in the future..
 
81usaf92 said:
Cal… I honestly don’t know how they fit into the new world. I think they might come with someone else to the Big XII… maybe a Boise type program who adds nothing but is craving for an invite.

Stanford could be the program that breaks everything up because if the B1G wants ND then adding Stanford really makes that more of a possibility. ND isn’t going to be willing to lose all of their historic rivalries just because the B1G’s schedule doesn’t permit it.
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I think the academia types of the Big 10 leadership would like the idea of adding Stanford and Cal.

Looks like Oregon State and Wash State could end up in the Mountain West.
 
It sure is hard to call the Big10 That name with 18 teams. Hmmm. Will the Big10 add even more schools? ND and Stanford? So sad Oregon State and Washington State that no one wants you.

Looks like the Big10 could be called:
The Coast to Coast Conference: the CCC or
The Sea to Shining Sea Conference: the SSSC or
Bigger than the SEC Conference
Now I do know they call it the B1G and it is getting BIGGER.

Hmmmmmmmmm. What is happening behind doors at the SEC office as we the people speak? I say add UNC and Duke and FSU and Virginia. The reason for Duke is BASKETBALL$$$$$. With Kentucky and Duke in the SEC, it would be an even better Basketball league.
 
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Anyone think whatever the PAC ends up being that they could get a local public access channel broadcast deal? Would love to see a Wayne's World of West Coast Sports Channel. Maybe give them a couple of Dr. Peppers, some cheetohs and a few tokes and they would sign on?

There should be an HBR case study on how not to lead a collective of arrogant institutions with disparate and conflicting interests. Kliavakoff has to lose his job, right? Even if he wasn't there when the main damage was done that led them to today. He has failed spectacularly.

Here's the headline of yesterday's The Athletic:
Mandel: Pac-12’s demise is story of 12 years of hubris, apathy, astounding mismanagement

Yep.
 
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Al A Bama said:
It sure is hard to call the Big10 That name with 18 teams. Hmmm. Will the Big10 add even more schools? ND and Stanford? So sad Oregon State and Washington State that no one wants you.
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I bet they go with Big10X2

However, this might not work for them because addition is hard... and multiplication even moreso.
 
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crimsonaudio said:
The people making these changes - the ones who make all the money from it - couldn't care less what we think. They've proven that.

Whether or not CFB will turn off the hardcore viewers like Nascar and Pro Wrestling did remains to be seen, but what I once thought unthinkable seems likely now.
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I’m going through that calculus right now. Part of it is money. Between Tide Pride, the cost of the tickets themselves and the additional donations necessary to maintain what few amenities you have, it’s a boatload of money for 7 or 8 home games.

Then there’s the investment of time, and putting up with drunk and / or obnoxious fans ….some of which are Alabama fans.

Then the constantly changing rosters, transfers in and out, yah, yah, yah.

It’s just making me re-evaluate whether I want to expend the emotional or financial resources anymore. And this is coming from a 34-year season ticket holder.
 
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Alabama
Oklahoma
Texas
LSU
Georgia
Tennessee
Florida
Texas A& Ain’t
Auburn
Arkansas
Everyone else
Why do we need anyone else? I don’t worry about being out TVed with so many good teams. Let the B1G do whatever. FSU and Clemson in their conference will not play out well.
 
BamaNation said:
Anyone think whatever the PAC ends up being that they could get a local public access channel broadcast deal? Would love to see a Wayne's World of West Coast Sports Channel. Maybe give them a couple of Dr. Peppers, some cheetohs and a few tokes and they would sign on?

There should be an HBR case study on how not to lead a collective of arrogant institutions with disparate and conflicting interests. Kliavakoff has to lose his job, right? Even if he wasn't there when the main damage was done that led them to today. He has failed spectacularly.

Here's the headline of yesterday's The Athletic:
Mandel: Pac-12’s demise is story of 12 years of hubris, apathy, astounding mismanagement

Yep.
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Of course he’s gonna lose his job. The conference will no longer exist…
 
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