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ACC and PAC 12 Demise seems close (FSU officially stating intentions to fight ACC Grant of Rights… Clemson sues the ACC)

I’m shocked over how fast the PAC is imploding. I’m sure some saw it coming but not sure how many saw it coming so fast. Its pretty much gone. Maybe they become the WAC but P5 no more.
 
You can only slice a pie so many times . With each new member the Big 10 reduces the size of each slice. They will be down to what SEC members get before long. How long do the TV deals run for each conference?
 
Tidelines said:
You can only slice a pie so many times . With each new member the Big 10 reduces the size of each slice. They will be down to what SEC members get before long. How long do the TV deals run for each conference?
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The Big 10's temporary solution to this is to have the new programs take a reduced share. This will become a full share when the new TV deal hits (in seven years).

I will be curious to see what their next move is, as the more west coast teams they add the more they are forming a mini-conference which lessens the travel issues, but as you pointed out the less the per team shares are likely to be.

I think they are in it to win though, to control college sports. As others here have pointed out, they likely have the inside track on North Carolina, Virginia and Notre Dame. If they control the west coast, they control the north, they control the midwest, and they also have a strong foothold in the south... they are going to be the most powerful entity in college sports and the SEC is locked into being a regional power.
 
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KrAzY3 said:
It's all about money, there just happens to be more pigskin money, but basketball money is green to and will factor in when TV deals are being made and revenue is being distributed.

For instance, when 3.7 million people tuned in to watch Virginia play a basketball game, do you think that was worth dramatically less than 3 million watching Clemson play a football game?...
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I assume the relevant equation here is something like, "viewers x commercial minutes = worth."

If so, then for 3.7M UVa basketball viewers to be worth more than 3m Clemson football viewers, the football broadcast would have to have fewer than 3.7/3.0 = 1.233 times the commercial minutes of the basketball broadcast. Given the presumed disparity in broadcast length between the two sports (and in fairness I could not find data to be certain), it seems unlikely that the basketball broadcast is worth more to the broadcaster than the football broadcast unless the viewership disparity is much greater; which makes sense given how much more pigskin money there is despite there being only about 1/3 as many schools playing it in the NCAA's highest division...
 
Keldeo said:
Man reading this was just sad.....
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Yes, it sucks that money is driving literally everything in CFB now, with zero regard for the fans or the spirit of the sport.

But I don't feel sorry for a school that invested a bunch of money on the gamble that the 'never-ending money tree' of a P5 conference would always pay out. They weighed the risks, felt it was a reasonable gamble and looks like they lost. Oh well, so sorry, this happens literally every day to individuals and businesses trying to gain a competitive advantage, expand, grow wealth, etc.

It sucks for the fans, yes, but I don't feel sorry for these schools - they chose this path. Many of them got greedy and now some of them are going to get crushed for it.

This is the real world.
 
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For instance, when 3.7 million people tuned in to watch Virginia play a basketball game, do you think that was worth dramatically less than 3 million watching Clemson play a football game?
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That depends entirely on the market. I'm not in marketing so I can't speak to specifics, but I know enough to realize that all numbers of viewers aren't the same.

IOW, basketball viewer may well be, on average, more/ less valuable to advertisers than than football viewers.
 
Not to beat a dead horse, but as excited as I am about Bama football starting in four weeks, I'm finding CFB as a whole less and less interesting. I don't care about the PAC12, but seeing the greed-driven destruction of regional CFB has really undermined my excitement level for CFB in general this fall.

It's likely only going to get worse, and I might step off this ride even sooner than I expected.
 
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crimsonaudio said:
Not to beat a dead horse, but as excited as I am about Bama football starting in four weeks, I'm finding CFB as a whole less and less interesting. I don't care about the PAC12, but seeing the greed-driven destruction of regional CFB has really undermined my excitement level for CFB in general this fall.

It's likely only going to get worse, and I might step off this ride even sooner than I expected.
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Maybe I'm just getting older. But when the round of expansion that was happening which took Nebraska to the Big Ten and Texas A&M/Missouri to the SEC, I was following it closely. Couldn't get enough.

Now, I have very little excitement for Texas/OU in the SEC and absolutely zero for the PAC 12 quartet going to the Big Ten.
 
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RollTide_HTTR said:
Feels like the Pac 12 is really dead. Who do they even have left?
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Really just Washington. These developments just proved how strong Oregon and Phil knight really were in terms of running the conference. Oregon is an apparel brand and Washington is a low B lister. The conference was dead the second USC said “deuces”.

my guess is that the Arizonas leave to the Big XII, and Oregon and Washington leave to the B1G. The real question is what Stanford and Utah does at this point. If the B1G really wants ND then Stanford is the way in. But I think we are at a blinking game between the SEC and B1G over who calls UNC and UVA first. I think FSU is freaking out over this whole thing and wanting to find a home on firmer ground
 
TideEngineer08 said:
The ACC is in the same boat as the PAC 12. Or I should say, their boat is leaking as well, just not at the rate the PAC 12's was.

Florida State, Clemson, Miami, and perhaps North Carolina are not content to watch Big Ten and SEC schools make 100 million a year while they are making 40 or whatever it is. They have their rivalries within their league, but they are also competing heavily with SEC and Big Ten powers in recruiting. They literally cannot afford to be lapped every single year in revenue.

There is no saving that. Because no network is going to pay them SEC/Big Ten money because they are just nostalgic about regionality.

I think the ACC could lose 4 schools or so and survive. It's just that the PAC 12 could not.
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The thing though is that Clemson and Miami are really bad additions to both the SEC and B1G. But they all know something is probably going to happen sooner or later so they are desperately trying to get off the titanic
 
81usaf92 said:
The thing though is that Clemson and Miami are really bad additions to both the SEC and B1G. But they all know something is probably going to happen sooner or later so they are desperately trying to get off the titanic
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Oh they are. But they are a part of "the club" currently and they desperately do not want to lose that status so they are definitely working the phones. They are not going to take being stuck 60 million behind South Carolina and Florida lightly. Or Vanderbilt!

But there is nothing for them to do but beg.

I think Clemson is in a worse spot than Miami because Miami offers geography and population base to the Big Ten. Clemson gives them nothing.
 
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Here is the thing… Clemson is a “top” program because they are in a bad conference and recruit well. What happens when they go 8-4 and 7-5 every year? They don’t have the legs that Oklahoma does when it comes to sucking for awhile.
 
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Really just Washington. These developments just proved how strong Oregon and Phil knight really were in terms of running the conference. Oregon is an apparel brand and Washington is a low B lister. The conference was dead the second USC said “deuces”.

my guess is that the Arizonas leave to the Big XII, and Oregon and Washington leave to the B1G. The real question is what Stanford and Utah does at this point. If the B1G really wants ND then Stanford is the way in. But I think we are at a blinking game between the SEC and B1G over who calls UNC and UVA first. I think FSU is freaking out over this whole thing and wanting to find a home on firmer ground
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Washington shouldn't be. With Amazon & Microsoft in their backyard they should be ahead of Oregon's apparel brand.
 
DanoCanuck said:
Washington shouldn't be. With Amazon & Microsoft in their backyard they should be ahead of Oregon's apparel brand.
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Nike has a beneficial reason to invest in Oregon. It fits with the type of products they sale. Microsoft and Amazon do not have a beneficial reason to invest in Washington. There is no way that their products can be promoted with Washington in a way other than saying they are a “proud sponsor of Washington Athletics”. Similar to Regions and Yellowwood in Alabama or Coke in Georgia.
 
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