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Well, Tidefans --- this went as about you predicted. Keeping it somewhat close early but being worn out and worn down in the later stages.

I've been watching/supporting Husky FB for over 40 years and I can say you have the absolute best defense I've seen in college FB. I'm just happy we could avoid a shutout against that defense.

For us, though, I think it's progress. Eight years ago we were 0-12. That's nothing UA supporters would never tolerate. Unfortunately, in this part of the country, it was for a year. Sarkisian (your new OC), got us started back and in year 3, Petersen has us on the right track. In my opinion, I thought next season would be the year we broke out. So - I'm glad we've come this far and I'm proud and feel priviliged, that we were able to be on the field against your program today.

You seem like classy guys and you just might have the best college FB team ever. Be proud of that and the benchmark you've set for the rest of us.

Good luck Tide -- until we meet again.
 
Your team is clearly heading in the right direction. Very good defensive performance from you.
 
AJDawg said:
Well, Tidefans --- this went as about you predicted. Keeping it somewhat close early but being worn out and worn down in the later stages.

I've been watching/supporting Husky FB for over 40 years and I can say you have the absolute best defense I've seen in college FB. I'm just happy we could avoid a shutout against that defense.

For us, though, I think it's progress. Eight years ago we were 0-12. That's nothing UA supporters would never tolerate. Unfortunately, in this part of the country, it was for a year. Sarkisian (your new OC), got us started back and in year 3, Petersen has us on the right track. In my opinion, I thought next season would be the year we broke out. So - I'm glad we've come this far and I'm proud and feel priviliged, that we were able to be on the field against your program today.

You seem like classy guys and you just might have the best college FB team ever. Be proud of that and the benchmark you've set for the rest of us.

Good luck Tide -- until we meet again.
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You get the Full Banjeaux (it's an honor to be thanked, liked, and disliked on the same post by the same person which began inconspicuously enough and is named for a well-liked poster who now watches from Heaven)
 
Thanks for your thoughts.
Let me follow up with this, though:
=> In your opinion, is Nick Saban approaching (or even exceeded) Bear Bryant's status?
=> Is there any way to run on your defense? I mean - as good as Clemson is with DeShaun Watson -- if their entire offense is one dimensional they're doomed. Is there any way your DL and LB's can be overcome? Any schemes that have at least a theoretical chance.
 
AJDawg said:
Thanks for your thoughts.
Let me follow up with this, though:
=> In your opinion, is Nick Saban approaching (or even exceeded) Bear Bryant's status?
=> Is there any way to run on your defense? I mean - as good as Clemson is with DeShaun Watson -- if their entire offense is one dimensional they're doomed. Is there any way your DL and LB's can be overcome? Any schemes that have at least a theoretical chance.
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A lot of us believed Saban (or anyone for that matter) could never come close to Bryant. Now it's hard to keep Saban out of the GOAT conversation, and it's possible he might already be there.

And no, you can't run on our defense with RBs, it just can't be done consistently. The best way to run on us is by QB scrambles or improvisation when contain breaks down. Browning did it a couple times yesterday but that's pretty much all you can expect without a Vick/Manziel/Newton type athlete. Watson also has the tools to exploit our defense, we saw it last year.
 
AJDawg said:
Thanks for your thoughts.
Let me follow up with this, though:
=> In your opinion, is Nick Saban approaching (or even exceeded) Bear Bryant's status?
=> Is there any way to run on your defense? I mean - as good as Clemson is with DeShaun Watson -- if their entire offense is one dimensional they're doomed. Is there any way your DL and LB's can be overcome? Any schemes that have at least a theoretical chance.
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I never thought I'd live long enough to say it, but Saban and Paul W. Bryant can now be mentioned in the same breath. He is on par with the greatest ever. I'll give him another 10 years and see if he can exceed.

IIRC, this team has given up >100 yards rushing once this year. We have held teams to a fraction of their rushing output in nearly every game. It will be nearly impossible for any team to run on Alabama this year. Just about everything short of the wishbone has been tried and has failed. I don't see that changing much. Against Clemson the two biggest challenges will be a very mobile QB who has the ability to break contain and the physical play of Gallman. We can't try to arm tackle him like we did at times in last year's game. I don't see us doing that, so...there's little chance that happens this year. We held LSU's dynamic duo in check. #4 will have to beat us with his arm, IMHO.
 
Both interesting questions. I'm one of the few still active who experienced the entire sweep of Bryant's career. I was a freshman on campus when he returned to Bama in early 1958. He was 44 at the time. When Saban came to Bama, he was already 55, so 11 fewer years to build a record, so it is unlikely that he'll have the time to equal Bryant's total win record. However, he's packed more into a shorter reign. Barring health failure, I'd expect him to best Bryant's total national championships. The problem comes in comparing coaches, as it is with athletes, across eras. It's impossible, in the end. However, if you transported either to the other's era, there's no doubt in my mind that both would still be/have been extremely successful because both know/knew winning like none of their equals. They're even, in my mind.

Now, for running, I have to agree with the other assessments. A scrambling QB with a legit passing threat is what it will take and it's hard to do that consistently as a gameplan. At one time, we were vulnerable to a really good option attack, but that's gone for opponents now. Saban has remolded the team and we can beat any opponent to the edge now. Clemson is built to take advantage of our one weakness, if you can call it that, since all teams are vulnerable to it. That's one reason they concern me as an opponent. I'm just hoping that Ohio State was much weaker than it was sold to be...
 
AJDawg said:
Well, Tidefans --- this went as about you predicted. Keeping it somewhat close early but being worn out and worn down in the later stages.

I've been watching/supporting Husky FB for over 40 years and I can say you have the absolute best defense I've seen in college FB. I'm just happy we could avoid a shutout against that defense.

For us, though, I think it's progress. Eight years ago we were 0-12. That's nothing UA supporters would never tolerate. Unfortunately, in this part of the country, it was for a year. Sarkisian (your new OC), got us started back and in year 3, Petersen has us on the right track. In my opinion, I thought next season would be the year we broke out. So - I'm glad we've come this far and I'm proud and feel priviliged, that we were able to be on the field against your program today.

You seem like classy guys and you just might have the best college FB team ever. Be proud of that and the benchmark you've set for the rest of us.

Good luck Tide -- until we meet again.
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That's why many "outsiders" think we are cocky, because we call it like we see it with this team. It was no offense to Washington of course, but I'd say 85% or more here on this board knew we would pull away later on because we have done that to almost everyone this year. Once you make that first mistake it's your last against this defense.

As for Coach Bryant and Coach Saban, if I had to pick it would be Coach Saban. Of course I was only a few years old when Coach Bryant retired, but I think overall Coach Saban has surpassed him. If we win next Monday then there is no doubt in my mind he's the best ever.

And as for your question as to "can teams run on us" it is highly unlikely. I would like to see every teams average or the average over Coach Saban's career at Bama as to what teams average on us rushing the ball.
 
Again - great viewpoints and thank you.

The way I see it: - you've got those big, huge, muscular, DL shutting down the middle. Then, you have LB's that are all that plus FAST. Thus - the edge is gone, no matter how fast the RB/QB is. So - if you can't run between the tackles and you can't get outside - you just can't run period. Throw in the other fact that there's lots of depth throughout and you can rotate fresh guys in all game long.

Washington had a dominating defense way back in 1991 when Steve Emtmann was on the DL so we have tradition but we need many more horses to dominate on the national stage like you guys.
 
The game played exactly like how I thought it would but a bit lower scoring on both sides. UDub's defense were who I thought they were: you don't want to put the ball in the air much because their safeties and field/boundary corners are disciplined risk takers, their interior DL would hold their own in the SEC (we ran up the middle as well as any team against you this season and it still wasn't THAT great), linebackers are a bit of a weak spot but they do get downhill against interior runs very well although they seem to get caught out of position quite a bit on perimeter runs. Offensively, I don't think I expected us to shutdown Ross and Pettis as well as we did...but you usually stop speedy guys like that by forcing the ball out quick for catches in front of the entire defense. I don't think Ross was the same after getting separated from the ball by Harrison early in the game. Maybe he got dinged up a bit? Maybe he just got a bit timid because he was unaccustomed to getting into a physical battle?
 
230kv_barehand said:
And as for your question as to "can teams run on us" it is highly unlikely. I would like to see every teams average or the average over Coach Saban's career at Bama as to what teams average on us rushing the ball.
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Here's what Bama has done against every opponent so far this season (Bama is rushing yards allowed by Bama, Avg is average rushing yards per game against the rest of the schedule (Bama game not included), % is the percentage of normal yardage allowed by Bama):
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Team: Bama: Avg:   %:
USC:  64    220.27 29.1%
WKY:  23    198.93 11.5%
OM:   101   153.82 65.6%
KSU:  82    174.63 46.9%
KY:   72    248.75 28.9%
ARK:  73    171.83 42.5%
UT:   32    219.67 14.6%
A&M:  114   220.00 51.8%
LSU:  33    249.67 13.2%
MSU:  94    242.75 38.7%
CHAT: 70    217.66 32.2%
AUB:  66    297.82 22.2%
FLA:  0     140.65 0%
UW:   44    210.00 20.9%
Alabama is averaging allowing 29.9% of the opponent's typical yards rushing per game. At that average rate, Bama would hold Clemson to 52 yards rushing in this game.
 
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