Alabama QBs in 2024

[Evil Crimson Dragon]

Well for the past 35 years I’ve walked into every end of the year review, looked my Executive Director or V.P. In the eye and said “ You can’t judge me because I reject your reality and replace it with my own….. Now how much is my raise this year?
What about you?

LOL...............I got a stellar review, then was told that my job of 18 years had been eliminated due to workforce reduction and now I am unemployed and waiting on severance packages............how's that for a reality check?

 

[CB4]

LOL...............I got a stellar review, then was told that my job of 18 years had been eliminated due to workforce reduction and now I am unemployed and waiting on severance packages............how's that for a reality check?

Had a similar situation. Always in the top 25% in terms of performance for 15 years. Then sold off the division and I was on the outside looking in.

Sorry this happened. Hang in there, brother.

 

[Evil Crimson Dragon]

Had a similar situation. Always in the top 25% in terms of performance for 15 years. Then sold off the division and I was on the outside looking in.

Sorry this happened. Hang in there, brother.

Oh, I will...................kinda hard for a 56 year old to start over, but I will get there

 

[CB4]

Oh, I will...................kinda hard for a 56 year old to start over, but I will get there

Yeah I was 52 year old at the time. Real kick in the well…you know…

 

[B1GTide]

We won a championship this year. And stop saying "it didn't work" like we got TCU boat-raced out of the building. I like and respect you BG1Tide. But we had a successful season that our players and coaches should be very proud of that, and a few dozen posters on Tidefans wallowing around in their own negativity about JM for the next eight months is not going to change that one iota.

The defense did that, and Milroe helped, but the defense did it.

 

[landonew]

You know, one can be uncertain JM is capable of making the improvements needed without thinking he's garbage.

Those suggesting that he hasn't made that improvement after three years at Bama aren't taking a massive leap, considering few QBs make that kind of leap. This is his chance to LANK. Let us 'naysays' know.

And maybe take it down a notch wrt acting like anyone who is unsure if he can / will do it hates him or doesn't want him at Bama. We are ALL extremely aware that you believe in him. That's truly and honestly great - we all love the fact we have fans who support the players, even through their struggles - but you don't have to post it every five minutes.

I'll tone it down and post less frequently. But the general narrative on Tidefans is absolutely that JM is a garbage QB that shouldn't be at Bama. It is not genuine uncertainty about whether he can improve. It's absolute certainty that he has not and cannot improve.

 

[RammerJammer14]

Oh, I will...................kinda hard for a 56 year old to start over, but I will get there

Just happened to my dad too. 4yrs from retirement, division getting eliminated. Luckily he now has new job lined up, but really just pulled the rug out from under him when he was trying to get everything lined up to retire on time. He was really in the dumps all of December.

 

[REBELZED]

Milroe's stats prove that stats absolutely lie.

Lies, damn lies, and statistics...

 

[CrimsonBloodn62]

LOL...............I got a stellar review, then was told that my job of 18 years had been eliminated due to workforce reduction and now I am unemployed and waiting on severance packages............how's that for a reality check?

That's a bummer for you. Hopefully, you will find something new soon. I'm just trying to make it until the end of August, and I'm hanging it up.

 

[CrimSonami]

I'll tone it down and post less frequently. But the general narrative on Tidefans is absolutely that JM is a garbage QB that shouldn't be at Bama. It is not genuine uncertainty about whether he can improve. It's absolute certainty that he has not and cannot improve.

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Nope. The majority of us TideFans on and off these forums recognize and appreciate JM's progression and contribution throughout the season. We won some games because of him and some in spite of him. Nor did we lose "because" of him. The fact that some are overbearing does not mean that "generally" we are ready to part ways with the guy. Can he improve? Yes. Will he? Opinions vary and remains to be seen. The problem that fuels this argument is some think their individual opinion and selective statistics should be valued as the end all.

 

[crimsonaudio]

I'll tone it down and post less frequently. But the general narrative on Tidefans is absolutely that JM is a garbage QB that shouldn't be at Bama. It is not genuine uncertainty about whether he can improve. It's absolute certainty that he has not and cannot improve.

You're seeing what you want to see. Neither you nor JM are the victim here, so drop it.

 

[landonew]

You're seeing what you want to see. Neither you nor JM are the victim here, so drop it.

Gotcha. To be clear, I don't think anyone is a victim.

Nope. The majority of us TideFans on and off these forums recognize and appreciate JM's progression and contribution throughout the season. We won some games because of him and some in spite of him. Nor did we lose "because" of him. The fact that some are overbearing does not mean that "generally" we are ready to part ways with the guy. Can he improve? Yes. Will he? Opinions vary and remains to be seen. The problem that fuels this argument is some think their individual opinion and selective statistics should be valued as the end all.

This is a good take. Regarding the individual opinion and selective statistics comment. I can appreciate how I may have come across that way. It's not my intent.

 

[92tide]

Oh, I will...................kinda hard for a 56 year old to start over, but I will get there

sorry to hear that. both my wife and i had to find new careers at 51 and 53 in the last year and a half.

 

[Moro Creek]

I enjoy reading the different opinions on this board. Some are very interesting. Milroe is a very good player, but needs to be at another position. With JS here now, JM is the 4th best QB on the roster. This is just a grumpy old man's opinion. But I do believe Milroe will still start in 2024. Not because he's the best option, but because CNS is loyal. Again, IMO, the only "open competition" at QB will be for the backup.

 

[gtgilbert]

NFL draft buzz has him as the #16 pick in the draft. The weaknesses listed are within the context of starting NFL pro-style quarterbacks. The reason he's projected this high is because these issues are addressable through coaching and player development. If they were not (as you suggest), he would not be projected like he is and he would not be starting QB at Alabama.

Another thing - JM does not have to read through progressions like a starting NFL QB to win a national championship at Alabama. You guys are holding a dual threat college QB, who was a first-year starter with a below average O-Line, to the BY standard of excellence. That's not how player development works.

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Those comments are not in context of a pro-level QB. They're for what should be expected of a guy in college. Notice some are in past tense - i.e. prior performance,

I've never once suggested this is not a developable ability so back off the rhetoric. You're the one who has been caught saying you never said something to only be confronted with the quote you did. I will say that JM hasn't yet demonstrated much, if any, progress in this area though.

We can agree he doesn't have to read D to the level of an NFL starter, BUT he does have to be able perform reads to the level of a starter at Alabama and within what is expected with that role in our offensive system. This is NOT just a hold him to a standard of what BY did; Jalen Hurts as a TRUE FRESHMAN was doing all the pre-snap stuff very well, his development need was post-snap. Every other QB we've had in the Saban era, every one, has been able to do the pre-snap stuff, and honestly, all of them have been better at the post-snap processing also. Point blank, right now JM can't do even the pre-snap stuff after almost 3 years in the system. FOr the post-snap stuff, our coaches are telling CFB announcers and analysts that they're not letting JM do RPO and zone reads - they are giving JM the give or keep decision from the sideline. That's handcuffing the play and hoping our OC can bet right more often than not. If JM had any of these abilities during the season, we would not have had to have changed our entire offense over the bye-week to account for his limitations.

Think about what that decision to change means. It means the coaches thought it was easier to re-design our entire philosophy on how we attack the field, new route combos, new signals, new blocking requirements, etc and also to get EVERY OTHER contributor on offense up to speed on entirely new system than it was to get JM making the reads he should make for our normal offense.

We won a championship this year. And stop saying "it didn't work" like we got TCU boat-raced out of the building. I like and respect you BG1Tide. But we had a successful season that our players and coaches should be very proud of that, and a few dozen posters on Tidefans wallowing around in their own negativity about JM for the next eight months is not going to change that one iota.

Did it work?

We averaged 34 PPG this year on 393 Yards/Game.

in 22 that was 41 and 477. BY, year 2
in 21: 39.8 and 488 BY, year 1
in 20: 48.8 and 541 Mac, year 1
in 19: 47.2 and 510 Tua year 2
in 18: 45.6 and 522 Tua year 1
in 17; 37.0 and 444 Hurts, year 2 with a dose of Tua
in 16: 38.8 and 455 Hurts, year 1
- the online stats at rolltide.com don't go back further (not without a LOT of digging into PDFs any way)

Over those years, that's 42.6 average PPG, and 491 YPG

The dropoff this year was pretty darn significant. Over 8 PPG less productive than our average, and over 100 YPG less than average.

So this year was our least productive offense in many years.

Not only that, every other first year starter guided the offense more effectively - that's very telling as Hurts was a true freshman his first season, Tua was a true sophomore, and BY was also a true sophomore. Mac is the exception of being an upperclassman. JM had been on campus longer than any of them except Mac so it's not like they all had some advantage in the amount of time they had to prepare.

That doesn't really read like it worked all that well to me...

 

[Grogan11]

I really believe there will be an open competition. CNS heard the JM chatter after Texas and he basically opened it up mid season. Nobody was ready to take it so he stayed with JM. If TB or TS lit it up, I have no doubt JM would have never seen the field again. He did and he continued to win games with the help of an incredibly talented roster. And that incredibly talented roster part is what makes me so confident he’s going to have to go out and win the job again. We need to get back to showcasing all the talent in this program. Somewhere along the way during the season we stopped being the Alabama Crimson Tide and we became the Alabama Jalen Milroes. That needs to change.

 

[landonew]

Those comments are not in context of a pro-level QB. They're for what should be expected of a guy in college. Notice some are in past tense - i.e. prior performance,

I've never once suggested this is not a developable ability so back off the rhetoric.

gtgilbert - if I offended you, I apologize. As I mentioned in a previous post that referred to you by name, there are folks on here that disagree with me but are genuinely pretty fair with their assessments. I’ll respond to your post in detail later this evening.

 

[Scobaman]

Those comments are not in context of a pro-level QB. They're for what should be expected of a guy in college. Notice some are in past tense - i.e. prior performance,

I've never once suggested this is not a developable ability so back off the rhetoric. You're the one who has been caught saying you never said something to only be confronted with the quote you did. I will say that JM hasn't yet demonstrated much, if any, progress in this area though.

We can agree he doesn't have to read D to the level of an NFL starter, BUT he does have to be able perform reads to the level of a starter at Alabama and within what is expected with that role in our offensive system. This is NOT just a hold him to a standard of what BY did; Jalen Hurts as a TRUE FRESHMAN was doing all the pre-snap stuff very well, his development need was post-snap. Every other QB we've had in the Saban era, every one, has been able to do the pre-snap stuff, and honestly, all of them have been better at the post-snap processing also. Point blank, right now JM can't do even the pre-snap stuff after almost 3 years in the system. FOr the post-snap stuff, our coaches are telling CFB announcers and analysts that they're not letting JM do RPO and zone reads - they are giving JM the give or keep decision from the sideline. That's handcuffing the play and hoping our OC can bet right more often than not. If JM had any of these abilities during the season, we would not have had to have changed our entire offense over the bye-week to account for his limitations.

Think about what that decision to change means. It means the coaches thought it was easier to re-design our entire philosophy on how we attack the field, new route combos, new signals, new blocking requirements, etc and also to get EVERY OTHER contributor on offense up to speed on entirely new system than it was to get JM making the reads he should make for our normal offense.



Did it work?

We averaged 34 PPG this year on 393 Yards/Game.

in 22 that was 41 and 477. BY, year 2
in 21: 39.8 and 488 BY, year 1
in 20: 48.8 and 541 Mac, year 1
in 19: 47.2 and 510 Tua year 2
in 18: 45.6 and 522 Tua year 1
in 17; 37.0 and 444 Hurts, year 2 with a dose of Tua
in 16: 38.8 and 455 Hurts, year 1
- the online stats at rolltide.com don't go back further (not without a LOT of digging into PDFs any way)

Over those years, that's 42.6 average PPG, and 491 YPG

The dropoff this year was pretty darn significant. Over 8 PPG less productive than our average, and over 100 YPG less than average.

So this year was our least productive offense in many years.

Not only that, every other first year starter guided the offense more effectively - that's very telling as Hurts was a true freshman his first season, Tua was a true sophomore, and BY was also a true sophomore. Mac is the exception of being an upperclassman. JM had been on campus longer than any of them except Mac so it's not like they all had some advantage in the amount of time they had to prepare.

That doesn't really read like it worked all that well to me...

That's a 20% decrease in production on offense even with a better group of receivers and with a defense that was able to give the ball back to the offense on a regular basis. We had severe O-line problems in 22 but Bryce would sidestep oncoming rushers, then throw a very catchable pass.

 

[denver]

I also think the interception numbers are misleading....JM ate the ball/ran it or threw it away ( sometimes) rather than try to throw in a tight window or the WR open...i think the interceptions against UT spooked him and he avoided risky throws for the most part.

 

[crimsonaudio]

I also think the interception numbers are misleading....JM ate the ball/ran it or threw it away ( sometimes) rather than try to throw in a tight window or the WR open...i think the interceptions against UT spooked him and he avoided risky throws for the most part.

Or took a sack.